For anyone who thinks they’re “stuck” with chrome, Firefox has gotten it’s shit together massively in the last few years.
Firefox has never not had it’s shit together. It’s worked fine. I never understood people having issues with it, unless they were running like 50 extensions and a bunch of grease monkey scripts along with a crusty old profile with a massive cache of old data.
Meanwhile everyone is complaining about Chrome eating up all their RAM
Funnily enough Chromium actually consumes less RAM and is safer due to better sandboxing.
But neither of these concern the average user. However, the main difference between the browsers user may notice is how pages that are still loading behave. Firefox has the correct behavior. Aka waiting for vast majority of the elements to finish loading versus Chromium just going “if it’s rendered it’s intractable.” This unfortunately means that Firefox feels slower even though it’s actually faster.
Also, on behalf of the dark mode enjoyers, flashing white for a moment while launching, loading web pages or updating contents of a webpage is incredibly annoying. None of the Chromium browsers flash white on dark mode.
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There have been quite a few questionable decisions by Mozilla though, they have focused on some very weird things, not to mention scandals about management salaries (No idea how it is now). I really really hope they will not follow suite which honestly is not as far fetched as one could think.
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How can I disable autoplay after user interaction on mobile? On desktop this works via about:config but there’s no such thing for mobile.
I don’t think FF supports PWAs yet. I need to use Chromium to turn some sites like Discord into PWAs, as the desktop Linux version doesn’t screen share on Wayland. I also like having YTM as an app.
I believe that there is an extension for Firefox pwa support, but the Android version definitely supports pwas natively.
Yes, FF Android does, the extension for the desktop was very janky last time I used it. Mozilla just needs to support it natively IMO.
Works pretty well for me. They patched a lot of issues over the last year, so maybe give it another try.
Does Firefox support multiple windows on iPad OS yet? That was the reason I stayed with Chrome for so long, and also is why I’ve more recently switched to Edge as the only other cross-platform browser I could find that had that.
Firefox on ios is barely more than just a skin to Safari.
Its renderer is, yes. But not its UI, and the UI is the problem here.
I’m not sure, but Firefox on iOS isn’t true Firefox. To my knowledge, Apple doesn’t allow browsers to use anything but their Safari engine. As another user put it, “Firefox on iOS is barely more than a skin for Safari.”
I can speak to Firefox on desktop and Android, however: they’re fantastic!
tl;dr: If FF sucks on iOS, it’s Apple’s fault.
If FF sucks on iOS, it’s Apple’s fault.
Nope, not in this case. iPad OS has supported multiple windows of the same app for years now (since 2018 or 2019), and Safari naturally supported it out of the gate. Google supported it in Chrome very quickly, and Microsoft got around to it with Edge last year.
It turns out that while the rendering part of all browsers on iOS is Safari, the skin and UI elements (the “chrome” that Google’s browser was named after) are all custom to each app. And Firefox has been very poor at upgrading theirs.
That’s so weird, then, that it’d be so radically different than it is on Android. Why do you think that is?
Is it radically different? It’s a feature that iPad OS supports that the iPhone version of iOS doesn’t, and I don’t think Android does (though I’ve not used an Android tablet in nearly 10 years, so maybe tablets on Android can do it?). Obviously desktops all support multiple windows and have done forever. Technically, by not having implemented this feature it actually means it’s more similar to Android.
Firefox is rather under-resourced in terms of developer power, and they’ve been consistently prioritising other things rather than implementing this feature. I don’t think there’s much more to it than that. It’s a perfectly reasonable explanation for why they haven’t done it—any team needs to prioritise what they work on. But it’s also reasonable for a user who values that feature to choose a competitor that has delivered it over one that has not. That’s the natural trade-off.
I’m dumb, and had to reread what you wrote. I thought you meant tabs this whole time (doh). I haven’t even used an iPad before, so I didn’t know that feature existed. I don’t believe I’ve ever seen multiple windows of Firefox on Android (but you can have multiple apps open side-by-side).
I think it is unlikely Mozilla would support that feature, given the lack of resources and demand; iPad’s are niche.
Yeah and that’s fine. I’m not saying Firefox is evil for not having this feature or anything like that. I’m merely explaining why it is that I find it to be a sub-par option, and why I choose Edge instead, for the moment.
Nah, Apple doesn’t allow any other browser engines on iOS other than their own, so every browser available on it is just safari.
Sure, but that’s not actually my point.
Since 2018 or so, iPad OS has supported multiple windows of the same application, but only if the app developer supports it. Safari, of course, supported this immediately. Google got around to implementing it pretty quickly on Chrome. Edge took years before they finally got there last year or maybe the year before.
Firefox, last time I checked (which was admittedly a few months ago) still did not support it. Plus, on their GitHub page, there was some talk about trying to implement it in a really dumb way, with each window sharing all the same tabs—completely defeating the point of the feature, in my opinion.
When wanting sync between my desktop (Windows), phone (Android), and tablet (iPad OS), I don’t really care what renderer is used under the hood. I care what name brand is on the browser and what it’s able to sync with. Firefox syncs with Firefox, even when Firefox is secretly Safari.
I mean this with no personal enmity: piss off with your iPad. (Don’t expect power user features to actually be good)
Umm, why? With all due respect, why would you expect me to stop using a device that does everything I want it to perfectly well? I use Edge and it syncs with my Windows desktop and Android phone perfectly well. Both Edge and Google Chrome have supported this feature. It’s only Firefox that is being a laggard.
This is not an iPad problem, it’s a Firefox one.
Firefox is the only browser on Android which still doesn’t have tabs. Wrangling multiple tabs on a tablet or foldable is just a pain on Firefox. Chrome on standard screen sizes even has tab groups. Until then, Firefox is a no go for me.
Uhh what? I’ve been using Firefox on Android for a looong time and there are tabs…
I’m speaking of an exposed tabs bar. Like all modern browsers have… except Firefox for Android. https://connect.mozilla.org/t5/ideas/tablet-amp-mobile-ui-tab-bar-for-android/idi-p/333
That’s fine but that isn’t what you said originally. Cheers
Enjoy your chromium experience with blank spaces and cookies popups then
Sure, I’m enjoying Vivaldi right now. 👍
Firefox for life! adguard for desktop, adblocking DNS for torguard and mullvad!
Also, GREAT JOB GOOGLE! You did the one fucking thing you could do to make everyone hate google chrome and never want to use it again.
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Refuse? Why?
According to my kids there’s a few flash game sites like y8 (perhaps not flash, IIRC that got killed off, but you get the idea) where you’re blocked for adblocking. As soon as I have white listed a site they’ll find a new one. So they have ublock origin installed, but permanently switched off.
And for some reason at least one kid actually likes youtube ads smh
Kids these days with their loving ads and what not. I came from a simpler time where we hated ads with a passion. :shakes fist:
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My 2 year old knows how to hit the okay button on the remote when the Skip ad badge turns white.
Everyone hates commericals.
@BigDanishGuy @schrodingers_dinger, ??? Y8 (Html5, WebGl) works flawless for me in Vivaldi with the inbuild Ad/Trackerblocker
I’ve actually noticed this too.
Upon asking what the deal is, I’m often met with an “I like when creators get paid” which is righteous but misguided, or “I don’t care about the ads”, which is baffling.
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As a zoomer I can never convince my friends to install AdBlock, they think it’s too much of a hassle.
You literally install and forget it’s there, it’s not hard at all. Tell your friends their basic. 😆 Also, thank you for fighting the good fight. ✊
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Yeah, who would’ve thought that the advertising company would modify their software so that it doesn’t work if you block the advertisements.
Maybe more people would be okay with the ads and trackers if they weren’t so ridiculously invasive.
On youtube in particular, most of the time…none of the ad revenue even goes to the creator of the video. They probably got copyright claimed, and even if they didn’t get copyright claimed, they’d still be demonetized if they belong on a platform like youtube.
Did you know a video that’s demonetized for a creator is fully monetized for the one that maliciously claims the revenue from you?
You’re most likely giving money to someone who’s stealing from your favorite creators when you watch youtube’s ads.
Just because it’s built on Chromium doesn’t mean it has to follow Chromes rules. I know that’s hard for you Firefox fanboys to admit though. Google will die but there’s Edge, Opera, Brave, Vivaldi, and more.
But any browsers that use Chromium have to obey google even if they like it or not
No, Chromium is FOSS and every compay or dev is free to modify it to their like. Do you think that Windows with EDGE follow the rules of Google in this Chromium? Or the Chinese Opera? Vivaldi also don’t with its gutted Chromium, But Mozilla does, even with Google devs working on Firefox, because Google is its major sponsor. Sends Data to Alphabet and Google analytics, because Mozilla made the mistake of making a contract with the devil, losing independence by relying on outside investors, above the worst one.
I know that the Firefox fanboys are going to pepper me with downvotes now, because life is hard and so is the truth. The enemy is Google not the engine. Chromium folds to Google only if you use it as-is, without bothering to remove the GoogleAPIs it contains by default.
Google needs to sponsor Firefox because if Firefox goes away, they will get hit with the monopoly stick of the EU and get bigger restrictions.
Just like what happened with Internet Explorer.
So it is imperative to Google to keep Firefox afloat whatever the cost. And Firefox has to do nothing in return other than exist.
Mozilla does not send any data to Google, which you can not say from any of the Chromium-based browsers like Edge.
Edge the last one, in EDGE all telemetries go to MS, Towerdata (the worst one, which use even keyloggers) and other afiliate sites. Firefox need the money from Google, because to maintan its Infrastructure, servers, bread and water for its devs. etc
When is it actually happening? Like, do we have a date?
I’ve actually looked at the papers published, and I don’t even understand how what they’re proposing could possibly cause adblock removal. Web Environment Integrity happens at a layer before things like adblock even loads. They’re completely independent processes. So the whole thing feels like misdirected fear imo.
So… to answer your question. Never.
You should fear though. This will give Google unprecedented control over the internet. Just not fear for adblock.
I don’t think post is talking about Web Environment Integrity. I instead think that it’s talking about Manifest v3 as the Chrome web store now blocks Manifest v2 extensions from being submitted - with support expected to be removed from Chrome in 2024.
The day I can’t block ads is the day I stop browsing the internet. I’ve been blocking ads since the popups and banner days.
They really do want us to use Firefox, don’t they?
There is convenience in being used to a browser, but there is more convenience in not having to deal with ads. That’s why I use Firefox on Android.
I honestly don’t get people that say “I use Chrome because I’m used to it”. It’s not like Firefox and Chrome are immensely different when it comes to UX, right? The interface is pretty similar.
Sure. But I also professionally use a product that works better on Chrome (and Edge nowadays) so I’m lazy about it. Eventually I’ll move to Firefox on my home PC. But in on my work PC and phone 95% of the time already so it’s not going to make a huge dent.
Hey! Don’t let them know that they’re doing the world a favor! You know - the ‘don’t be evil’ thing.
it baffles me that people are still using Google Chrome.
Most people don’t use an ad blocker and most people don’t even know this drama exists.
Which makes it weirder why take a grudge against us.
It’s a recession and suddenly the money lost to adblockers matters.
Why? It does everything a non-techie would expect from browser and it performs well, why switch to something else?
That said I think Chrome is a terrible Chromium based browser. Edge and Vivaldi in my opinion are much better options. Edge for most folk and Vivaldi for more adventurous types.
I’m from the Philippines and I can explain why, at least here, most people still use chrome. Over here, we’re much more concerned about our money and time over our rights and privacy, which means we usually just choose the most convenient and cheap money-wise, which is why the majority of us still use chrome and why the government here can get away with so much shit. we don’t care about our rights not because we’re being given bread and circuses, but because we’re too busy making a circus out of ourselves so we can buy bread.
I don’t think that’s good excuse. Firefox is free and installing it takes less than 10 minutes.
it’s not about how easy it is to install it’s that it has to be installed at all. Over here we prefer phones as there’s a lot of cheap phones here that only cost less than $100, and since most phones here come preinstalled with chrome, even if firefox is free and all, why go through the hassle of having to go and install it when Chrome’s already there?
most people here have a mindset of “if it ain’t broke don’t fix it” which explains a lot of things wrong in this country.
Lol. The privacy bits are what always make me doubt people who say they use iOS for privacy reasons. They’ll scream that and then install every google service they can on the same phone.
Chrome is the new IE, some websites only work on it, and i keep chromium for the same reason i had ie back then, to be able to use those sites.
Google can do whatever bullshit they want, I am still not letting go of adblock
I won’t use sites with WEI or adblock blockers
I won’t use chromium
You can lead the sheep to the spyware but you can’t force them to open it
They can pry adblockers from our cold dead hands. Then other people will make new ones.
They may kill this iteration of ad blockers. But there will always be another and another. Google has a lot of smart people working for them. There are also a lot of smart people in the FOSS community that will eventually find a way around it.
At the end of the day there will still be people recording songs by holding two boom boxes together.
Make software that runs on your computer that uses machine learning to detect ads on you screen and put kitties and puppy pictures over them. Browser and sites couldn’t do shit about it unless they start acting like anticheats scanning your computer for that software etc…
Hm, can we make an anti-WEI movement? Have a bunch of websites block browsers using WEI, to force it away?
I know that won’t actually work, but a man can dream…
Donate to orgs like the EFF, Mozilla, and the FSF. Lobby your congressperson, your senators, and Biden to make the FTC to start doing its goddamn job again and enforce antitrust law.
The only real solution to this creeping megalomaniacal monopolistic behavior is legislative.
The real hope is the EU doing the right thing again and curb stomping the fuck out of google and hopefully the results spread across the world.
and then 75% of people can’t use your website and then people stop using it? That wouldn’t work
I mean, yeah, that’s why I said it wouldn’t work. Maybe if there was a website that was big enough that it would drive people to use non-WEI browsers if they couldn’t access it, but any website big enough to do that would also want WEI for ad venue.
The only big website that could even come close to doing this (they won’t, and if they did it wouldn’t work, but they’re big enough that the attempt would at least be noticed) is Wikipedia.
A slightly more “productive” (sort of) avenue of approach would be another large corporation for whom Google is a competitor, and who themselves doesn’t rely (as much) on advertising, interfering with WEI for their own self-interested reasons. Apple is the most likely candidate here, although again, I don’t think that’s likely to happen.
Pihole goes brrrr
please help - https://lemmy.ml/c/pihole
Or one could use dns.adguard
Oh no Bernie Sanders has turned heel and joid forces with Google and he’s pissed
Firefox FTW
UBlock Origin is fire
Honestly just shocked how well Adblockalypse rolls off the tongue despite being the linguistic equivalent of three kids in a trench coat
We’d like to take out a hefty loan
I didn’t even try as I was sure I’d fail anyways. You’re right, it’s beautiful!
Kiss my sexy Klingon ass, Google. I will forever battle ads.
My normal internet usage consists of 50% ads, i get more ads on instagram than actual posts so i’ve started shitposting comments on the ads.
Leave my digital space alone, but since you don’t have the decency we have to do it ourselves.
Get a DNS Sinkhole like PiHole or use an adblocking DNS.
For YouTube I can recommend NewPipe (mobile) and FreeTube (desktop).
For everything else I use uBlock.
Edit: I don’t have Instagram so I don’t know how they serve ads. If they have separate domains for ads they can be blocked using a PiHole, though.
Tbh instagram is just a shithole because every post is someone flexing their influencer deal, trying to sell you some bullshit.
The rest are just true ads hosted by facebook (as far as i’m aware, since you can’t advertise on instagram without a facebook account).
I’m using an adblock on firefox and my internet on my pc is decent, it actually feels like i’m using the internet compared to it using me to shovel ads into my face.
Users when company who makes billions in profit off of ads modifies their browser to forcefully show more ads: 🤯😟
For real, why even use a Google product if you don’t have to
To install Graphene OS onto a Pixel Phone.
I think Google overestimates my Internet addiction and underestimates my steadfast hatred of advertisements.
Been on chrome for like 12 years. Syncs across my phone, everything. I will make the switch. I have been wondering when google was going to go evil. Why not 2023 like everything else on the internet?
