• Brainsploosh@lemmy.world
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    2 days ago

    I mean, the counter-argument is that nothing is stopping you from creating such a co-op today. You not doing it is seen as a point in favor of capitalism/ruling class.

    Show them wrong?

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      2 days ago

      Funding is stopping me. Lack of investment money to get started. Access to capital.

      I don’t have the luxury to stop being an employee, even momentarily because I need the income

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          You seem to not understand the difference between an investment and a loan

          I have applied to a few accelerator programs and haven’t gotten a response

          One thing is to get money in exchange for ownership of the company and the other one is to get money that has to be paid back no matter what

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              10 hours ago

              Yes I will take marginal amount of risk but no I won’t gamble everything

              Some people get the opportunity to try things risk free, and others need to risk everything so if they fail the consequences are very negative

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              23 hours ago

              It’s different kind of risk when failure means you may not eat or become homeless.

              The rich do not incur that kind of risk when they engage in “entrepreneurial-ship”

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                  18 hours ago

                  They were given bootstraps to pull themselves up by, so everyone else should be able to pull themselves up by their bootstraps too!

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                    24 minutes ago

                    Nope. Incorrect.

                    Racism: the systemic oppression of a racial group to the social, economic, and political advantage of another

                    When a system oppresses you, no bootstraps to be had.

                    That’s just another white supremacy myth meant to make it look like some people just don’t try hard enough.

                    https://www.ibramxkendi.com/how-to-be-an-antiracist/

                    That will explain it. If you cared to do your own research instead of regurgitating the crap that’s been spoonfed to you your whole life.

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                    My parents were immigrants themselves and I immigrated again to a different country in my 20s. I arrived with a backpack of clothes, an old laptop and money to pay a shared apartment for a few months.

                    But cool story you came up with to justify your prejudice.

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        Which is precisely the argument they give for why capitalists are needed, and thus warrant recompense (at the expense of the worker).

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          They’ve designed the system intentionally this way, to keep people dependant on them.

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            Agreed. It’s very hard to beat the system from within. And their arguments only make sense within it.

            Now if only there was a way to break the system… 🤔

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          That’s not a natural outcome. That’s an artificially created made up barrier. That does not justify capitalists. That shows how they have purposefully rigged the system to be reliant on them.

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          Systematically unfair system requires us to continue unchanged to the advantage of an incredibly small number dbags who own everything already, ‘cuz they have all the money to invest’. Good critical thought dude.

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            Oh don’t get me wrong, it’s a thoroughly unjust system. That is just their argument for perpetuating it. (I could definitely have phrased it better)

            And I also believe it’s rigged.

            Which means that the only way to win is to break the rules, or play a different game, which sounds more ominous than intended. But I do believe we need to do away with capitalism, or the very least capitalists. Either the $1 billion “you win” cap, or just a wholly different way of economic organisation. Other options are available, but few are as civil.