Police said a suspect was in custody after the shooting near the Capital Jewish Museum

Police said a suspect was in custody after the shooting near the Capital Jewish Museum

A suspect is in custody after shooting dead two Israeli embassy staff outside a Jewish museum in Washington on Wednesday night.

The gunman, named by police as Elias Rodriguez, 30, of Chicago, approached a group of four people leaving an event at the Capital Jewish Museum and opened fire, killing Yaron Lischinsky and Sarah Milgrim.

Metropolitan police chief Pamela Smith said the shooter had been pacing outside the museum, which is steps away from the FBI’s field office, before the shooting.

After killing the pair, who officials said were a couple, he walked inside, where event security detained him. The suspect yelled: “Free, free Palestine,” after he was arrested, police said.

  • Optional@lemmy.world
    1017·
    23 hours ago

    So anyone working for a part of the state is responsible for the actions of that state?

    The undersecretary of Education is responsible for splitting up mothers and children at the border in 2017?

    That’s the same reasoning. Show that it is not, if you can.

    • bdonvr@thelemmy.club
      134·
      22 hours ago

      So anyone working for a part of the state is responsible for the actions of that state?

      There’s nuance here. Janitors at an Israeli government building? Probably not. State department employees serving an overseas mission to represent and lobby for your genocide? Yeah.

        • bdonvr@thelemmy.club
          113·
          21 hours ago

          By working there they were implicit in helping the mission there so yes. I wouldn’t have joined the German Embassy in 1941 even as a functionary unless I was a Nazi.

    • xenomor@lemmy.world
      144·
      23 hours ago

      I don’t think it’s a binary. Culpability is relative to one’s role and actions. The severity of state action is also a factor and as that severity increases, culpability expands. I want to be explicit, I hate violence and I wish this had not happened. That being said, such violence is an inevitable consequence of circumstances like what the State of Israel and the US are orchestrating. To quote JFK:

      “Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."

      • Optional@lemmy.world
        39·
        22 hours ago

        Culpability is relative to one’s role and actions.

        You stated that these two murder victems “facilitated a genocide”. Then you explained that that was because they worked for the state of Israel.

        Now their presumed culpability is relative to their role and actions, which brings us back to the very first question - what were their roles and actions that made them culpable for the genocide in Palestine?

        • captainlezbian@lemmy.world
          41·
          21 hours ago

          The embassy exists to maintain international support and cooperation in all areas.

          Like I’m iffy on all this, I’m smelling some potential antisemitism with the location and everything. But the Israeli embassy to the United states is not bloodless. Their purpose is to maintain positive relations with their largest supplier of arms and armaments. That’s not the only reason they exist, it’s probably not the majority of their interactions. I’m sure they do plenty of good, but it’s one of the goals of their diplomacy. The Israeli embassy to Kenya is far less complicit.

          • Optional@lemmy.world
            51·
            21 hours ago

            Mr. Lischinsky specialized in Japanese studies and was an outstanding student, according to Professor Otmazgin. “He was an idealist,” he said. “He wanted to build bridges between Israel and other countries, especially in Asia.”

            He grew up in a culturally mixed family with a Jewish father and a Christian mother, and was a practicing Christian, according to Ronen Shoval, the dean of the Argaman Institute for Advanced Studies in Jerusalem, where Mr. Lischinsky participated in a yearlong program in classical liberal conservative thought after earning a master’s degree in government and diplomacy.

            “He was a devout Christian,” Dr. Shoval said, “but he had tied his fate to the people of Israel.”

            In his application to join the program, which Dr. Shoval shared with The New York Times, Mr. Lischinsky described his upbringing in a multicultural family and “the inner struggles” he faced while growing up in a religious household within secular societies in Germany and Israel.

            Hanan Lischinsky said his brother had been considering applying to the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs’ cadet course to train to be a diplomat. People who worked with Mr. Lischinsky in the embassy said that there, he identified as Jewish.

            . . . Ms. Milgrim had lived abroad in several places, including in Costa Rica, where she spent time working on a master’s degree program, eventually earning master’s degrees in international affairs and in natural resources and sustainable development.

            Like many young Jewish Americans, she and her brother, Jacob, 28, also participated in Birthright Israel, which offers free trips to Israel in an effort to bolster Jewish identity. In Israel, she worked for an organization that connected young Israelis and Palestinians, her father said.

            . . . Mr. Milgrim said that his daughter and Mr. Lischinsky were both concerned about peace in the Middle East, the stability of Israel and the plight of Palestinians.

            “She was doing what she loved, she was doing good,” her father said. Doing good, he added, is “what brought her life to an end.”

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            • xenomor@lemmy.world
              32·
              21 hours ago

              Everything here indicates that they were intelligent, well informed and thoughtful. That makes their participation in this outrageously inhuman project that much more egregious.

              • Optional@lemmy.world
                24·
                21 hours ago

                I still don’t see their “participation” being very clear at all, and just can’t agree on that point.

                I get people are angry as fuck about the outrageous war crimes and genocide, but I don’t think gunning down random Jews in the streets of the US is really a solid counter-strategy. In fact, in one way of looking at it, it’s just as bad.

                • xenomor@lemmy.world
                  32·
                  20 hours ago

                  Violence begets violence and I think we are in agreement that it’s all bad. No reasonable person wants to see people getting gunned down in the street. I will challenge you on your assertions that they were random, and that they were gunned down for being “Jews”. We should interrogate the motivations and methods of this murderer, and if it turns out to be motivated by ethnic hatred, let’s call it out. So far the reporting has not shown that to my knowledge and there is a real danger in conflating hatred of the genocide with hatred of Jewish people.

                  • Optional@lemmy.world
                    14·
                    20 hours ago

                    I will challenge you on your assertions that they were random, and that they were gunned down for being “Jews”.

                    So you think they were specifically targeted for working at the Israeli embassy but not because they were Jewish visitors to a Jewish museum? That’s threading a ridiculous needle. I’m not even sure what a narrative like that would be? Is the gunman a super sleuth who works in IT at a non-profit in his spare time?

      • Optional@lemmy.world
        48·
        22 hours ago

        To the earlier example of the undersecretary of education; they are enabling family separation at the border?

        Is it not that complicated?