• Dolores [love/loves]@hexbear.net
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    1 year ago

    military presence in the country is pretty different from occupation

    45 fucking years the US propped up, armed, and aided the dictatorial rule of conservative and military governments in South Korea. South Korea’s army still comes under US control in wartime, but sure 2 decades of just mostly corrupt “democracy” means they can just opt-out of US military garrisons. nothing bad would happen to the government that demands that, no matter how popular it is with the Korean people

    if you’re not willing to concede anything

    the US won’t concede basic demands like moving their troops off the border! fucking ridiculous equating Korea’s refusal to expose itself to attack with US bases thousands of miles away from the US

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      1 year ago

      Despite this, as of 2011, 74% of South Koreans have a favorable view of the U.S., making it one of the most pro-American countries in the world.

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          1 year ago

          That’s crazy but true. Funny thing is that a month before the poll the guy had a 10% approval rating. It’s only after the South Korean president was discussing demilitarization with Kim in the 2018 summit did people come to trust him.

          hmmm… It’s almost as if you would show some good faith that you are willing to concede and not be a nuclear crazy warmonger, people would look positively at you. Crazy isn’t it?

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              The point is that I was criticizing Kim because he was being authoritarian and hostile towards the west. You said that the South Koreans love him though. But they liked him after he was trying to find peace and concede with the westerners. This shows that he was changing his ways. I’m assuming that you don’t want that though.

              I thought I should give you the info and let you realize what’s going on, but honestly that’s on me. I should have realized you’re a smooth-brain as soon as you parroted a headline without knowing what the fuck is going on.

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                  1 year ago

                  the opinion of the people regarding political entities is inconsequential and easily influenced Is this what you say every night to feel better about how your tankie ideology is lamented by any reasonable person in a democratic

                  Now I can’t say I am an expert in Korean history but it seems that NK wants the US out of SK not because they’re afraid of US attacks but because they want to take over SK. But you know Kim is pretty smart keeping his people uninformed about the world outside his country since it’s probably gonna be bad for him. If people really knew that he was not willing to give up his nuclear bullshit and keeping his people perpetually in the verge of famine while their southern counterparts are economically thriving, he probably would lose a lot of his popularity. He’s not making the same mistake as East Berlin that’s for sure.

                  Also, I wouldn’t say that Trump got concessions from NK. I was saying that the opinion of the SK people was swayed because they saw hope since the summit was between Moon and Kim would be fruitful. The poll was after the May/2018 inter korean summit not the disastrous september/2018 singapore summit. Honestly, I wasn’t clear enough there I’ll give you that (not being sarcastic).