Actions speak louder than words

Oh, this wasn’t you? There must be a different SpaceNoodle.

Those are words, not actions.

Yeah and I’m saying that a Dem supermajority will not magically do something that Democrats have made clear that they are not interested in doing.

Kamala’s plans are not destructive, but they would treat a symptom and not the actual disease. That’s not nothing, that’s why I voted for her, but it’s not sufficient either.

Presidents don’t decide this unilaterally, but that doesn’t stop them from supporting it. Kamala doesn’t. Dems don’t.

So clearly you did look it up. Go ahead and point to where, specifically, it discusses single payer. Calling it a “right, not a privilege” is rhetoric. The actual plans mentioned do not discuss single payer. You see this, right? That these aren’t the same things?

Kamala Harris’ healthcare plan is to expand Medicare to All Americans and the elimination of Private Health Insurance

In 2020, when she dropped out of the primaries before any votes were cast due to abysmal polling, yes. In 2024, when she had an actual chance to become POTUS, no she did not. You know that her campaign website is still up, right? You can look this up yourself. Talk about “basic logic” lmao.

Like I said, I voted for her. Let me ask, when can someone who votes blue criticize the party? Not during an election, oh no, that would drive votes to the GOP. Apparently not after an election either, judging by your behavior in this thread. So when, in your esteemed judgment, can one ever demand more than “being marginally better than the GOP?”

There’s that scolding again, only this time it’s far more desperate. It always seems to devolve to this with libs, just start threatening people when you can’t defend the Dems’ shit policies. Do you think that gets people to vote? Because it doesn’t, it just makes you sound like a sanctimonious jerk.

I voted blue this election, in spite of the uninspiring and frankly lousy campaign they ran and the paucity of meaningful change they promised, and in spite of Biden’s disappointing administration, his facilitating a genocide, and his lack of any effort towards healthcare reform. I did that because the GOP is worse.

United Health alone gave the Kamala campaign 700k, look it up. Kamala made it quite clear that her campaign did not support universal healthcare. Then just a little over a month after the election, we have a stark reminder that it’s wildly popular and that people on all sides of the aisle desperately want to see change. The Democrat party could have harnessed that energy, and likely won. But they didnt. Because they don’t want universal healthcare, and the sooner you accept that the sooner you can help us demand more from them.

Ah, yes, so we’ve gone from insisting that Dems support something they will openly tell you they oppose, to pure scolding. This didn’t work a month or so ago, I don’t know why you’d expect it to work now. I’d love to support Dems. They need to make it a worthwhile effort.

They won’t try lol. The Harris campaign made it quite clear that it wasn’t part of their platform. The Clinton campaign argued against it. The Biden campaign said something about a public option that wasn’t mentioned again after the election. The Dems did their best to stop any momentum Sanders had when he campaigned on single-payer.

They don’t want to do it.

Maybe the DNC of 20 years ago wanted it, but you’re only fooling yourself if you think they want it now.

Which party advocated for universal healthcare in the 2024 election? Sure wasn’t the Democrats.

No, they’re a mystery and we’ll never know their identity so we should stop trying to find out.

This is really not helping with the “no personal accomplishments” observation I made earlier. How typical. How boring.

51% in an election with very low turnout is hardly a “landslide”. When you brag about something like this, it just shows people that you have to glom onto something other people did because you have no accomplishments of your own.

Ok. What has he done in his lame duck period, or expressed intention to do, that helps Americans? So far I’ve seen him double down on helping Israel commit genocide and I’ve seen him pardon his son. I’m happy to be convinced otherwise but I’m sure not seeing it now.

If you genuinely think that then you haven’t been reading my comments.

I agree with you that the sentencing was incredibly unjust and clearly politically motivated. I’m just incredibly frustrated that Biden is not doing anything that’s useful to Americans during his last few months in office.

I wouldn’t change a thing because Joe Biden is obviously perfect. If someone disagrees, they must not be smart enough to understand. The solution to that, as all good liberals know, is to shame them until they vote better.

Oh, no, I read your comment asking why Biden should care what Americans want, since so many of us voted Trump. And you’re right! Biden is justifiably disappointed by us and, as a result, has every right as a civil servant to completely ignore us and act entirely out of self-interest until he is out of power. That’s the social contract we make with our elected officials; we elect them and they enact their agenda provided we only do things they personally agree with. When we are naughty, they get to punish us by abandoning the people who got them in power. Basic civics.

No, of course not. He should do the exact opposite. In addition to not doing anything to protect any of the marginalized groups who consistently vote Democrat, he should pose for photo ops with Trump, pardon his own family members, and do nothing to help the unworthy little piggies who couldn’t be bothered to get other people to vote for him or for Kamala. The only circumstances in which we can expect Democrats to behave any better than Republicans is when it comes to respect for decorum, not actual policy.

I don’t know where you’re getting these ideas about my views, I’ve been in total agreement with you about these points this entire time. I’m just making the exact same argument you’re making.

Edit - obvious sarcasm aside, Biden should do things like nominate judges for all those empty seats while the Dems still have the Senate. He should do things like direct the DEA to deschedule cannabis, a move that would be wildly popular with voters on both sides of the aisle and thus seems unlikely to be overturned. You know, helpful things that help people who weren’t lucky enough to be born with the last name “Biden”. He won’t, though. And it’s weird to just jump to January 6th. That’s a weird thing to do.

I’m sorry if you can’t understand my sentiment, even though we are in complete agreement on all of this and I have been quite clear. Yes, absolutely, Biden should do everything to help Trump after insisting, repeatedly, for the past several years that Trump and his agenda are catastrophic threats to American democracy and safety. This will surely help public perception of democrats and their sincerity moving forward.