I can’t read his mind. As he said, coups aren’t easy. He puts the term “right wing asshole” to shame. He’s so bad, I’m surprised he doesn’t have a Nobel Peace Prize.

How well do you know who John Bolton is?

Normally true, but again, John Bolton. I’d probably trust him on mustache upkeep though.

I wouldn’t take the word of John Bolton as worth anything more than toilet paper. I think the Peter Thiel connection to Greenland is much more worth discussion, and it’s the main reason why Vance is VP.

https://lemmy.world/post/27976404 this isn’t news.

What’s the plan for having your phone at home? They’re going door to door and shooting innocent white American citizens.

Feel like we’re long past getting anything out of this conversation. So as other instances like to say, I disengage.

That’s not the argument though. If under Trump, he deported 800 immigrants, biden/Obama deported 1200. And if 50 died in ICE custody under Trump, 20 would die under Biden.

Never claimed Biden’s death rates were higher, just that it was more than 0 and that 24 was his peak. I did say the deportations were higher for Biden and Obama though. Though I’m now seeing that there isn’t actual data for year 2025, just speculations.

Did I link those articles, the charts, and the AI answer to someone else?

Well, if I can’t prove it to you with charts, articles, AI responses, and Google searches, what else could I do? I would’ve liked to provide you with the data from ICE themselves, but I can’t make them release the data going back to 2003, or even 2025.

No, I said 24, and it was HIS peak.

I never said there more deaths under Biden, just that there were more than 0, also with data that shows his peak was in 24, like it does in your graph.

Because that is exactly the point I’m trying to make. At least 26 people have died in Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) custody during the Biden administration. This figure includes 12 deaths recorded in fiscal year 2024 alone, which was the deadliest year under his presidency. The number of deaths has increased significantly in recent years, with the first three years of Biden’s administration seeing no more than four deaths per year, but a sharp rise to 12 in 2024. Despite this, the overall death rate per detainee is lower due to the record-high number of immigrants currently detained.

AI-generated answer. Please verify critical facts.

See, I though the same thing! Seriously, look into it. In Ohio, and some other places in country, it’s July to June, while others it’s October to September.

The gatcha is that electing a democrat like Biden or Harris won’t solve the issue, at best it’ll the same on deportations/deaths from ICE. More likely, deportations would be higher, with not much less of ICE deaths. So when someone said that it wouldn’t be this way, it’s fun to pop peoples bubbles and show them the specifics without the narrative. I’m not saying it would be worse or better, just pointing out that electing someone with higher deportation numbers won’t stop deportations, electing someone that drops more bombs on Muslim countries, and starts more wars, won’t end wars, and someone that raises more, even twice more, corporate money for their election won’t get corporate money out of politics. Yes I know, goal boasts blah blah, not the subjects, whatever.

Again, don’t come after me for any of these sources. They’re just my first couple search results. https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-deportations-illegal-immigrants-trump-biden-lindsey-graham-1998758 https://www.congress.gov/118/meeting/house/116859/documents/HHRG-118-GO06-20240215-SD013.pdf The AI answer Joe Biden’s administration has overseen more deportations and repatriations than Donald Trump’s first term. Data from the Department of Homeland Security shows that by July 2024, the Biden administration had carried out 4,677,460 removals, surpassing the 2,001,280 deportations during Trump’s first term. Another report states that Biden deported 4.44 million individuals in 2021 and 2022 alone, exceeding Trump’s first-term total of 3.13 million.

A key factor in the higher numbers under Biden is the use of Title 42, a pandemic-era policy that allowed for rapid expulsions of migrants without formal deportation proceedings; over 2.8 million expulsions occurred under this policy, mostly during Biden’s tenure. Critics note that many of Biden’s removals consist of “voluntary returns” at the border, leading some to label him the “returner-in-chief,” whereas Trump focused more on interior enforcement, though his overall numbers were lower.

Additionally, fiscal year data shows that deportations under Biden, particularly in FY 2023 and early FY 2024, outpaced those of any single year under Trump. While Trump promised large-scale deportations, the data indicates that Biden has overseen a greater number of removals and repatriations overall.

https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/1gbdxut/oc_deportations_and_total_cases_under_us/ https://www.reddit.com/r/charts/comments/1nt8on8/us_deportations_by_year_and_political_party/ I gotta go play some drunk Mario kart though, don’t think I’m abandoning the discussion, I was supposed to leave like an hour ago but stuck around for that reason :/

I was thinking of comparing to trumps first term. Though I did assume fiscal year 25 actually meant that it was proving fiscal year 25(again, apparently different meaning in Ohio) so I did kinda compare it to Trump so far, but it’s also hard to argue against me there, as there isn’t data on that, just speculation. And holy crap, even what I’m looking for now isn’t easy to find. Every place mentions how Biden deported more, records were set under Biden, and how Title 42 played a huge role in everything, basically a catch and release on same day as illegal crossing. The charts I’m finding do provide info I’m looking for, but there’s a ton of * too, mostly title 42. AI always gives me the right answers, but I hate using that as source, and I don’t know how to use AI effectively to get where it’s getting its info from.

Sec, that one I’m sure of as I’ve seen the data going back to trumps first term. Just gotta remember what to Google :/

You’re right, I did. I saw fiscal year 2025, and I assumed it actually showed fy25. Fiscal year apparently means something different in Ohio as well :/ But in fairness, if we’re gonna go after my goalposting, can we at least answer my first questions as well. How many ICE deportations were there under Biden, and how many deaths in ICE custody were there under Biden.