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The incoming Trump administration is planning a large-scale immigration raid in Chicago next week, according to four people familiar with the planning, the first move in President-Elect Donald Trump’s promised mass deportation campaign.

The raid is expected to begin on Tuesday morning, a day after Trump is inaugurated, and will last all week, the people said. U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement will send between 100 and 200 officers to carry out the operation.

Bit odd to announce where it is. Don’t go to work next week if you’re in Chicago I guess.

I’d maybe start with some Tolstoy or Mutualism to ease yourself in ;)

The lack of fully scaled examples doesn’t negate the validity of cooperative production, it underscores the need for innovation and persistence. The systems you critique are still maturing, but their potential reflects a historic shift, much like the early failures of capitalism eventually gave way to dominant industrial systems. To dismiss these efforts outright is to overlook humanity’s capacity for ingenuity and reinvention.

Progress is impossible without change, and those who cannot change their minds cannot change anything.

I showed it via other means. Large scale industrial cooperatives are not here yet.

Considering you didn’t even know this was a stance yesterday, or a foundation of anarchism. I suggest you get back to reading. The agora is the natural organisation for humans.

Learn how not to seethe.

Of course I have. Probably just hard to accept you missed the most obvious choice. A revolution which is based on violence and murder can only lead to tyranny. But hey I’m sure it’ll be different this time. And even if it is. Where do you think we’ll go from there? More centralisation?

Again, early days. But inevitable once the tooling matures.

1. Loomio: A collaborative decision-making tool that facilitates inclusive and democratic processes within organizations, enhancing cooperative governance.

2. Platform 6: A project aimed at building a community of cooperative development, providing virtual spaces for co-ops and cooperators to support each other.

3. OpenDesk: A platform offering open-source furniture designs, enabling local makers to produce and distribute custom furniture globally.

4. Provenance: A blockchain-based platform that ensures supply chain transparency, allowing cooperatives to build consumer trust by verifying the ethical origins of their products.

5. Wevolver: A platform facilitating global collaboration on open-source hardware projects, fostering cooperative innovation in various technological fields.

6. DisCO (Distributed Cooperative Organizations): An initiative combining cooperative principles with decentralized technologies to create scalable, distributed networks for shared work and resources.

7. Agricultural Data Cooperatives: Platforms like AgriDigital use blockchain to provide transparent and decentralized systems for farmers, enabling cooperatives to manage supply chains more efficiently.

8. Hive (Worker Cooperative): A worker-owned cooperative utilizing decentralized tools to operate rideshare services, demonstrating tech-enabled logistics and local ownership.

9. The Commons Engine: Leverages blockchain technology and Holochain to create decentralized networks for cooperative resource sharing and value exchange.

10. 3D Hubs: A decentralized manufacturing network connecting makers and cooperatives worldwide to produce custom parts locally, reducing barriers in the manufacturing sector.

11. CommonsCloud: A cooperative cloud computing platform offering open-source tools for businesses and organizations to collaborate globally without relying on centralized tech giants.

12. Resonate: A cooperative music streaming platform that uses blockchain and open-source technology to create a scalable, equitable alternative to traditional streaming services.

13. FabLabs: A global network of decentralized fabrication laboratories using open-source designs and shared tools to empower local production and cooperative innovation.

14. CoopCycle: A federation of bike delivery cooperatives using shared open-source logistics software, allowing cooperatives to scale their operations efficiently.

Again, the peaceful one only happens once, globally. Advances in decentralized manufacturing, open-source hardware, and blockchain technology are reducing barriers to entry, enabling cooperatives to scale rapidly through global networks. This evolution represents a qualitative leap, where cooperative systems are no longer isolated attempts but interconnected and scalable in ways previously unimaginable.

Yeah because Trump will run it like musk runs Twitter. Bezos lost a huge contract last time he refused to bend the knee to Trump.

Mondragon Corporation, Spanish Civil War, Syrian Revolutionary Left, and countless mutual aid initiatives illustrate that cooperative production is not only viable but can outperform centralized systems when given the opportunity to scale. The historical limitations of cooperatives were largely due to their isolation and the hostile environments in which they emerged, often as localized responses to crises. Today, however, the situation is fundamentally different. This is no longer about isolated groups trying to set up decentralized systems in panic or under siege. Instead, we are witnessing the emergence of a global network of tools, practices, and knowledge being built, shared, and iterated upon. This network allows for unprecedented collaboration and scalability, making it a unique historical development that reflects an evolutionary leap in social organization. No widespread examples because this has never happened before, and it is only going to happen once.

FOSS demonstrates how decentralized, cooperative production can scale and compete with centralized industry in a domain traditionally dominated by capital-intensive models. While the material conditions of other industries differ, the dialectical process suggests that emerging contradictions, such as the inefficiencies of centralized production and the growing accessibility of decentralized technologies, create opportunities for cooperative systems to expand. The failure to consider these material developments and their revolutionary potential itself goes against dialectical materialism, which emphasizes historical progression through contradictions and their resolution.

Agorism, by fostering decentralized, counter-economic systems, aligns with the principles of dual power and dialectical materialism. It recognizes the importance of building alternatives while confronting and undermining the dominant structures of power. This does not negate the need for militancy but broadens its scope to include economic and social resistance as critical components of systemic transformation. The present moment is not just another iteration of past efforts but the culmination of a dialectical process where global connectivity, shared knowledge, and cooperative innovation provide the material basis for a stateless, cooperative society. Far from being at odds with dialectical materialism, agorism embodies its principles by addressing contradictions in the current mode of production and building the groundwork for an unprecedented societal ®evolution.

Do you think the entire production process of Fairphone is cooperative? Further, Fairphone is nowhere near on track to destabilize the larger firms like Samsung and Apple that wield immense power as owners of hundreds of billions of dollars of industrial Capital, who can always outcompete. To overthrow Capital, you need revolution.

Not at all, early stages. Just don’t see any reason we couldn’t do it properly. To genuinely challenge these entrenched systems of industrial Capital, systemic revolution is essential. However, such a revolution cannot be reduced to a singular event. It is a fundamental reorganization of production, exchange, and social relations. This involves moving beyond isolated ethical consumption and instead fostering systemic alternatives that redistribute power and resources while dismantling the material basis of capitalist dominance.

As for Engels, I think if you’re trying to twist him into somehow being in favor of a cooperative-based economy without revolution and that you’ve successfully applied Dialectical Materialism, I encourage you to read Anti-Dühring, where Engels applies Dialectical and Historical Materialism to take down such a system as Utopian. You don’t have to agree with Engels, but to twist him into being in favor of Agorism is odd.

Agorism engages directly with the evolution of capitalism by addressing its inherent contradictions, particularly the conflict between the centralization of capital and the decentralized potential of human agency and voluntary exchange. Dialectical materialism reveals that these contradictions drive historical change, creating the conditions for resistance and alternative systems. Agorism exploits these contradictions through counter-economic activity, building decentralized systems of exchange and production that bypass and undermine state-capitalist structures. While the centralization of capital may appear dominant, it simultaneously creates vulnerabilities and opportunities for agorism to flourish. Agorism’s focus on creating alternatives outside of centralized systems reflects the dialectical process of thesis, antithesis, and synthesis, where counter-economic resistance develops into a stateless, cooperative society. This prefigurative model aligns with dialectical materialism’s emphasis on transformation through the resolution of contradictions, showing that agorism is not only compatible with but also a practical application of dialectical materialist principles.

P2P crowdfunding where contributors have a stake, built like https://www.fairphone.com/nl, what part of the production process do you foresee as being a blocker here that wouldn’t lead to a better solution anyway?

I’m not misunderstanding the critique I’m saying it’s not Utopianism just because it doesn’t align with your preferred sociological analysis. Agorism is a pragmatic application of dialectical materialism. It recognizes the inherent contradictions within capitalism and the state, and utilizes those contradictions to create a pathway towards a stateless, free market society. To label agorism as utopian is to disregard its inherent dynamism and its grounding in a materialist analysis of societal structures, a misunderstanding that undermines the very essence of Engels’ argument.

Coding is only one aspect of Capital, the overwhelming majority of necessities runs on industrial Capital. You can’t P2P that, just like you can’t torrent food or a brand new phone.

Why not? We can and we must to reverse the damage we’ve done to the planet or not much will matter.

As for Utopianism, it refers to “model building,” ie trying to think of a perfect society and trying to convince everyone to adopt it, rather than analyzing existing society and its trajectories to predict what can come next. It’s like trying to completely reinvent computers, rather than looking at how they exist and trying to use that knowledge to make a better system. I suggest reading Socialism: Utopian and Scientific for why Utopianism is largely looked down upon by practicing Leftists, Marxist and Anarchist alike.

The critique assumes that envisioning better systems and working toward them are mutually exclusive, but they’re not. Both are needed. Without imagining and striving for what could be, we risk being confined to the boundaries of what’s already been normalized, even when those boundaries are actively destructive or unsustainable.

In the P2P world where everyone has a phone in their hand and we can iterate and codify better systems however we like.

There’ll be resistance, they’ll try and block things, points that become too centralised will be targetted, but eventually, there will be no stopping it. Just like they were powerless to stop torrents and the failure on their war of drugs with darknets.

I’m not too fussed about what kinda label my stance is, but seems pretty aligned with Proudhon who I’d think would have some authority on the matter?

A map of the world that does not include Utopia is not worth even glancing at, for it leaves out the one country at which Humanity is always landing.

They’ll be powerless to stop it. No point of attack.

Plenty of anarchists believe in non-violent revolution, including ya know, Proudhon.

Even in prefiguration, Proudhon emphasized nonviolent methods as the foundation of societal transformation. He advocated for workers to establish cooperatives, mutual credit systems, and other self-managed institutions as a way to model and embody a future society based on reciprocity and equality. These institutions would exist alongside the state and capitalism, gradually eroding their necessity without requiring violent overthrow. He proposed the creation of federations of autonomous communities and associations, emphasizing voluntary cooperation and self-management.

He believed in economic transformation via mutualist exchanges rather than seizing power through violence. He saw the expansion of non-exploitative economic practices as a way to delegitimize and outgrow the capitalist and state systems. He was critical of revolutionary violence and abrupt insurrections, arguing they often resulted in authoritarian regimes or chaos. Instead, he focused on evolutionary change that mirrored anarchist principles, allowing society to “prefigure” a stateless future without upheaval.

He did recognise the reality of entrenched power dynamics and systemic oppression could lead to conflict or resistance from those in power. However, he consistently argued that violence should not be the primary tool for change, as it risks undermining the very principles anarchists aim to achieve. In 1840, I would have agreed with him entirely. But technology will give us the upper hand in the modern world.

Say we fast forward. How do you pull off a non-violent revolution?

build the new world in the shell of the old

By fostering parallel institutions such as community run markets, local production systems, and peer to peer financial services, people can begin meeting daily needs outside the state’s control. Engaging in counter economics, including black and grey market, mutual aid networks, decentralized governance tools, and local methods of conflict resolution. Things like local exchange trading systems, local currencies, and more exotic monetary/post-monetary ideas could fundamentally shift how we exchange and interact with each other. Robust tools to aid in resistance, communication networks, seamless ways to effectively organise and resist that can’t be stopped, mutual aid networks,etc. As modern technology continues to empowers communities to self organize and fund projects that was previously impossible, they gain resilience and independence from official channels. If enough people see that decentralised solutions genuinely improve their lives, they will choose to opt out of the state’s apparatus and voluntarily support these alternative systems. Over time the state loses both moral and practical support, culminating in a peaceful transition rather than a violent upheaval.

Not yet. We haven’t all been connected for very long.

A coup is sudden, I am an agorist. No random heros but bottom-up & decentralised / voluntary.

on what?

Of course not, you do it sneakily in the shadows gradually until it’s too late.

You see the beauty of my proposal is It needn’t wait on general revolution. I bid you to a one-man revolution— The only revolution that is coming.

They/them or is Antiyanks a thing?