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Cake day: June 13th, 2023

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  • So you’re ready to wait centuries before making the hiring process fair to non white CIS gender hereto men because that’s how long it’s gonna take to fix all socioeconomic inequalities that need to be fixed in order to guarantee that no matter who you’re born at, you have access to the same opportunities to build your CV in order to apply for a job for a blind process that only tries to determine who is the most qualified candidate. Sounds like a white person wanting to protect their white privilege they don’t realize they have.

    I’ll give you an example, white vs white. Quebec families don’t have as much wealth accumulated in general compared to Ontario families because until the 1960s the Catholic Church was omnipresent in people’s lives and forced them to have more kids and to pay to build churches and to keep doing manual labor under English management. To this day it still has an impact on their average level of education and on the kind of life they can afford to live.


  • You also want companies running towns while we’re at it?

    It is efficient in the long run because offering them very jobs means they’re kids get to grow up in better socio-economic conditions.

    You can give all the education you want to women and people of various ethnic backgrounds and the handicapped, in the end the white guy with the same (or sometimes worse) qualifications will get hired in their place unless DEI measures are put in place, that’s their whole point, getting companies to recognize that if they don’t make a conscious effort to prevent it, there’s systemic discrimination happening in all industries.

    They also affect people after they get hired. Hiring a woman to end up giving her less money for the same work goes against DEI. Accommodations for people who have physical or mental health challenges affects everyone, even people who believe it’s not for them, they’re one car running a red light away from needing those and in some States that accident could mean them simply being laid off with no consequence for their employer and no recourse for the employee.





  • Hiring on merit means only hiring white men because from birth they have an advantage. Unless you ignore all socio-economic issues people need to deal with throughout their whole lives, hiring based on merit only makes no sense, sometimes you have to give a chance to people you wouldn’t naturally give a chance to in order to break centuries old practices. Maybe in a thousand year a black kid will have exactly the same opportunities as a white kid, but it’s not the case now.



  • Hiring unqualified people also happens without DEI though and looking at studies on DEI’s impact on productivity it might actually happen more without it in place considering that output usually increases when implementing DEI measures…

    A bunch of candidates from diverse backgrounds, the unqualified white dude gets hired out of unconscious systemic racism or out of fear of being flagged as a company with DEI measures in place. Nepotism as well, hire the son of a good employee even though better candidates exist…


  • Right, a white person joining a team that’s 100% non white would be considered an ethnic minority in this case.

    I understand your point but HR won’t do a background check to figure out if an Indian candidate comes from a socio-economic background that makes them closer to the rest of the well off engineers team already in place vs a white guy that might have been raised in a very poor household. That’s why it’s usually ethnic origin, gender, handicap and surface stuff like that.



  • It’s usually more than just “not only hiring old white dudes” but a conscious effort to make the place more representative of society by intentionally hiring people of diverse gender/ethnicity/handicap instead, sometimes leading to processes being closed to people who aren’t part of certain groups, which might in theory go against some laws depending on where you live, but the same thing can be achieved by just wasting time filtering out white men’s CV or just not calling them back after interviews, so I personally don’t mind just being excluded and giving others a chance, if they don’t have non white dude applicants then I’ll get called and otherwise I’ve got plenty of doors open to me, more than most in fact and that’s not ok.