They don’t exist without them though, and it is sometimes necessary to make a point to all companies and their sentient rulers by e.g. boycotting them, forever.

So they’re recycling…good on them…but there I was thinking they may be creating some Apple-PC steam punk mutant for some specialist market…

The hidden tracks were the best!

Just leave the bottle on the counter

Exactly! Which was my original point that this ‘power thing’ is about using/tied to abusive/instluting behaviour rather than something separate.

Nailed on. And that quote, spread it far and wide.

No, the discussion was not about whether different words were of equal or differing offensiveness. My discussion is about what saying ‘it’s a power thing’ actually means and how it relates to abusive behaviour.

I still remember Domesday, it only happened the once before ‘they’ covered it up. I’ll never forget it, so many questions.

1. One thing I agree with you on is that it isn’t necessarily always abuse, however the original post is about that group of friend’s chat, which I believe is abusive in nature from what has been shared (and hence why so many people have disowned them) and which you turned into (and are still rambling on about) some political somethingor another…

2. Again, this has nothing to do with politics.

3. You know nothing about my political beliefs so are shouting into thin air. (I’m not even from the US so can’t even ‘be’ a Dem! Oh boy.)

4. This has nothing to do with politics, did I say that already?!

What have far left (or far right, or even centrist) politics got to do with it? This is about what’s socially acceptable. Yes that feeds into politics and left/right/centre opinions, but I’m not discussing politics (nor was the person you replied to). Which ties in with my first comment that you’re combining politics with social issues erroneously.

Ultimately abuse is, abuse, is abuse, no matter how you dress it up.

So, if you were to replace ‘cocksucker’ with ‘towelhead’, slut, Yid, or Nig*** would that still just be a power thing?

Not that it actually makes a difference. This ‘power thing’ you refer to is controlling abuse for self interest. Introducing a predudice is just a way of trying to justify and/or hide the abuse.

I think you’re getting caught up in the state being abusive and controlling to it’s citizens (as Dump is doing now) and society self-regulating itself for it’s own benefit (something that happens in all social groups) as being one and the same. Just because someone calls out another person’s bad behaviour, that does not equate to supporting a dictatorial, or similarly controlling, leadership.

They’re no worse than (possibly better than) people who voted for whichever party because their parents/newspaper taught/told them to, or because that’s who they always vote for and are too lazy, stubborn, peer pressured or insecure to change - i.e. people who claim to be politically literate but don’t actually have a clue what they’re really voting for.

I cannot understate how insulted he’d be to hear that! Not least because he’s infinitely more intelligent than 2000 of those two!

I’m with you ‘brother’, albeit one year behind. Let us tell tales of effective protest and civilian action!

Yep, I have a ‘random shit’ drawer too

I was so hoping that was toasty the toaster! Waffles? How about a bagel?

Today/the last week, I have been mostly listening to Instant Rewards by Tides from Nebula, along side their previous album From Voodoo to Zen.

Probably not, there’s plenty of people who mostly just listen to the radio and don’t own much music. Sounds much the same. If it doesn’t work for you then it doesn’t work for you!

It’s an awesome opening to the album, “oooaaaahhh POWERRRNERRD!”, classic Devin!