Ya’ll we’d love to help but we can’t put that energy into someone who doesn’t to help themselves. If ya’ll had taken any of the numerous paths away from this in the past two decades then sure, maybe, but sorry this one is on you.

Good luck and all but we’re gunna be over here trying to make sure we’re protected from the meltdown the US is so determined to have.

Conservatives that aren’t rich, white, and straight surprise the hell out of me. Like, it was literally founded to push only that group and at the time even Irish people weren’t the right kind of white.

To be fair, what sounded like some northern European idea of just ignoring the person so much they have to leave did, on researching, lead to the Wikipedia article titled “Arson in Medieval Scandinavia” and was about burning people alive in their own homes.

Reddit still sucks and all and I wouldn’t be at all sad if this happened to quite a few of these fuckwads but I mean c’mon they definitely weren’t mad at the effectiveness of the solution.

Geez, so much for getting free will, eh?

There were scores of Christians who thought slavery was great. If the bible was really the ticket into being against it then it wouldn’t have happened in the first place. Instead we get The Americas™, a collection of stolen lands turned into a mire of plantations and now into prisons built on making said the prisoners work for pennies to prop up the rest of the country while many more “free” people are below the poverty line despite putting in their 40+ hours of hard, often physical, labour. Even people that are “paid decently” aren’t getting their fair share. Slavery coexists with the bible just fine, and in fact thrives more in more religious regions.

Where do we think those ideas come from? The way you say that makes it sound like you don’t believe anyone could come to that idea without that specific religion’s religious text. That projection is, by far, probably the most frightening thing in this thread.

People are fully capable of being good without being forced to. Yea, most are stupid and plenty are nasty but to act like the ideas of baseline human freedoms must have come from the bible is so weird.

It’s easier to censor the books first. Don’t worry, the internet and its content will be fucked with soon enough(more than it is).

Wait, did they think the bathrooms were special and cost money? Many places just slap a paper “gender neutral” sign on their washrooms and call it a day until a nicer sign can come in. The really good places knew this shit ages ago and already saved themselves the trouble by putting in a shared sink area and having stalls with real doors. As someone who has literally had to fit washrooms into floor plans I can guarantee that if cost and ease were problems then we’d only have gender neutral washrooms.

If someone did a horrific thing and then told me they weren’t as guilty as their boss I’d be fairly confident saying that if their first priority was to justify their actions then they can also get absolutely fucked.

The US was never really that against them. Their motivation in WW2 was not nearly as morally perfect as they like to pretend.

I’m not going to go refind the examples, but there have been stories about things soldiers do that are definitely not ordered by anyone else. There can be a level of cruelty at times that is completely on the individual and they cannot always hide behind “I was told to”.

And that 8th day will absolutely be a working day for reasons.

Yea, because that was a deflection and not what we’re talking about. You said that the US has stood for diversity but at every stage of its existence it has stood on the backs and necks of minorities and has struggled to even admit that it has a problem. Even the last admin was ok with Israel wiping out every Palestinian man, woman, and child and sure that’s across the world but if they’re chill with genocide that sets the bar LOW. And buddy have you SEEN how they disenfranchise minority voters? The gerry-mandering maps are fucking WILD. They don’t give a fuck about the people who, to them, are just cheap labour.

Also I live in Canada which beat the US to gay marriage by 10 years and is where many black people escaped the US to. We are far from perfect but at least we had a female prime minister for a few months and a brown guy with a turban leads one of our three major parties. We also have a huge homeless problem but at least they have access to healthcare, and as far as surface-deep things like restaurants are concerned we have just as much diversity in our cities as the US does(and just as much bland, franchised nonsense out of the cities). French is our official second language but the US only has English despite all its Spanish speakers and the fact that a lot of it is straight-up old Mexican territory.

Ok but how does any of that make it good? That’s being relativistic and we can do soooo much better than that, can’t we?

Do better than jerking off terrible people who are only “totally awesome” because they’re not as bad as some of the other options. Nothing is forcing them to be like that so they have no excuse, and the rest of my original point still stands that your opinion based on what you enjoyed to consume as a tourist is laughably out of touch.

That’s a lot of copium. The US has never really been a diverse place where everyone is equal, it just has very good marketing, brand recognition, and fairy open borders so people tend to move there. Plus with the world speaking so much English it’s fairly accessible.

A lot of the times that you see non-WASP culture in the US it’s just stuff that a tourist might enjoy like cheap food, music, and art, or landscapes that are actively being destroyed by weak governments. So yea, maybe the people who are there and struggling can put on a good show but that doesn’t make it a good place.

The first black person to go to public school is still alive and she’s not even that old. Being gay is still dangerous outside of cities(and even within them sometimes!). There are two different rule sets for white and coloured people that are clear to see. The rich are never punished for their crimes and that’s even when the Democrats, the best they can offer, have all the power to do something about it. They aggressively export regressive ideals to other countries, too.

It’s always sucked.

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And to continue your real life event thing, even just going outside and watching something happen can help get the ball rolling. It won’t be quite the same, like you said, but it won’t at all be a waste of time. Even going for a regular walk in a somewhat busy area can help, especially if you get to say high to a dog or something(which plays into your interaction thing).

You don’t think retirement is a human right or at least should be? Like “congrats on working but you didn’t make enough and no I don’t care why so I guess you’ll be working until you die granny!” You can’t bust in here like claiming a higher level of morality and then saying “let’s pump the brakes on the healthcare a little I mean let’s not go *crazy amirite?”

Anyway, these people voted for everyone not like them to lose their human rights, down to not allowing them to exist while queer or be born in the country to immigrant parents. And so when they lose them too, yea it’s pretty funny. They are getting what they asked for, including the cruelty they cheered on and/or brushed aside, and are crying about it because they aren’t the big strong tough guys they fantasize about being.

Crazy to me that a society which aggressively chases a system which claims to be held accountable by consumers cannot fathom how boycotts could make a difference. That’s part of the system doing its shitty thing, in a way, but yea under capitalism that’s really all you have and even then they’re throwing it away.

North Americans: We just love trying to find reasons why things that clearly work “definitely won’t work this time”.

It would be 100% of Musk suddenly making a genuine effort to be a good person. It’s not on his daughter’s shoulders so it’s not like there are “two good people who just need to communicate”. If he actually worried about being a good person then of course the country would be better off because d’uh.

Buddy, like what you like but most Maseratis I see are pretty boring and some can even feel tacky. And why are so many of them matte black, the tackiest finish? Maseratis definitely sound incredible, though.

Porsches like the 911 are also designed to be sports cars before anything else and even then I still like ‘em. Some came out a little strange for sure but for the most part they’re great.