It’s a common mistake among conservatives that they believe everyone is as self-centered and greedy as they are
I’ve not become more conservative as I age because I’d kill myself before becoming that awful to people around me
Not knocking your worthy efforts, but the vast majority of people don’t turn conservative because of ideological reasons, they do it because they want to keep what they acquired over their lives.
The people don’t become conservative any more because everyone younger than 40 pretty has pretty much gotten the economic middle finger across the board, so people turn radical instead. If I have nothing to lose I don’t feel protective of the status quo.
But the greedy fucks in charge around the world are so removed from the reality of life they cannot see past their bank account, and would rather concede to fascism to keep things going for a bit longer, than making the needed changes. For the lost generations and the planet itself.
Well it’s worth noting that teenage boys have started leaning a bit more to the right, likely in large part because of Andrew Tate and others in the manosphere, plus right-wing think-tanks like PragerU targeting schools and kids.
Though it’s not like the gap between conservative and liberal boys is that big, plus it’s not uncommon to hear from men on the left say that they had a phase of watching Ben Shapiro debate compilations only to grow out of it, so it’s not like this is the end of the world.
Still, it’s also true that Millennials and Gen X are getting fucked by boomers when it comes to money: Millennials only hold 3% of total US wealth, and that’s a shockingly small sliver of what baby boomers had at their age
I guess we can only hope that the latter is a stronger motivating factor than reactionary propaganda and efforts to curtail education that are coming from the right.
PragerU is like barely removed from Nazi propaganda. It’s so fucking insidiously and evilly incorrect I can’t believe YouTube allows it at all. Fucking YouTube
40-54 year olds were 7-21 years old in 1990. That group had >30% of wealth? I have some doubts about these charts.
That’s because you’re reading the chart wrong. It’s showing the change in wealth for those age brackets across time.
People that were 40 in 1990 had a bigger share of the wealth than people who are 40 in 2020.
Ah, I see. Thank you.
What exactly are older people afraid of losing? It’s not like even the farthest left politicians are in favor of doing anything more radical than raising taxes on people who are wealthier than the vast majority of boomers.
I don’t think they are afraid of losing anything specific. It’s ingrained at this point.
“If you made straight A’s and someone else made straight F’s, how would you feel if you both ended up with C’s? That’s fair right? No? Welcome to the Republican Party. Isn’t everyone who doesn’t agree with this an idiot? I’m glad we aren’t idiots.”
I grew up homeschooled and the Christian curriculum my parents used had similar feeling brainwashing tactics. “Scientists searched their whole lives to disprove the Bible, then ended up Christians instead!” Making you feel smart for not wasting your life like the other guy, you are already in the “good” group.
I’ve grown up in the same educational situation, and this is exactly what I’ve experienced. Their attempted indoctrination turned me into a liberal, antichristian agnostic. But with mental health issues, because emotional abuse is better than “letting your kid go to hell”…
Well Jesus was a peace loving socialist hippy, who would have been seen as a woke liberal by any US Christian conservative. They would have crucified him and not seen the irony.
They were also warned about the antichrist, and then elected the embodiment of the warning almost identically.
It’s a popular theory that the antichrist thing was an attack on Nero, who was persecuting Christians at the time Revelations was written.
But then that means Trump is nearly identical to the Bible’s description of Nero.
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Unless you’re talking to an American and making an incorrect assumption about what they mean by “liberal”.
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Being protective of your good fortune at the expense of others is itself part of an ideology, so I don’t see why you felt the need to contradict and condescend. A person who’s not a piece of shit would have no business being a conservative, no matter how privileged they are.
Now go argue with someone else because I’m getting big reddit energy from you, and it’s making me anxious.
Im not even sure how to respond to this. Okay? I suppose
I get their point - the “greedy [expletive]” part was insulting and unnecessary. But I do think they are overreacting quite a bit…
Next time, either be considerate and don’t lead with a debatelord’s tone, or don’t comment at all if you can’t resist being an argumentative prick
How about I express myself as I see fit, and you compose yourself for the next time someone writes in a way that makes you feel “anxious” yet at the same time unable to control the urge to lecture them.
Who are you to tell me how I should express myself?
When you treat people like shit and throw pointed words at them, I’m going to call you out for it. I don’t owe you an apology.
But fair enough, I’ll block you. I had my fill of you neckbeards during my miserable tenure on reddit, and I never want to speak to you again.
Whom did I treat like shit in your opinion? I have not addressed anyone except nameless politicians.
Maybe spend less time arguing with people you say you don’t want to argue with and more on improving your reading comprehension
I understand that the last paragraph of their comment was unnecessary and inflammatory, but this (insults etc) is not the way to point that out…
Fair enough. I’ll compose myself
The only big reddit energy was this comment and the subsequent doubling down. The comment above was an even handed rebuttal, this response is tone policing and name calling.
You may disagree with his rebuttal but this is not how you respond to adversity.
I don’t understand why they even went so off the rails. I just gave an addition to their statement which I prefaced with positive affirmation, to make sure the following text isn’t misinterpreted as ridiculing them in their effort.
Granted I l maybe shouldn’t have cursed as much, but I didn’t even insult anyone specifically, not even republicans as some other people suggest. Just the political leadership that is complicit in suppressing the needed change to save our ecosystem and remedy the ridiculous inequality mankind has to endure.
Apparently that’s enough to make them block me and then continue to rant about me in random comments.
Guess im done with this conversation, it turned weirdly toxic for no fault of mine.
Wow, what a hot take. I’m so thankful you stepped in to defend the debatelord. What a great use of your time!
Just a tip: If you have nothing constructive to add to a conversation, keep it to yourself. Have fun on my blocklist.
I think you ought to read beyond the first paragraph they wrote
And I think you ought to keep your thoughts to yourself, if you have nothing worth contributing besides haughty arrogance and presumption.
Besides, I did read their whole comment. That’s what I responded to.
Wtf dude chill
Just saying, the second and third paragraph seem to agree with you
That’s EXACTLY MY POINT. If someone agrees with you, then why lead with something as pretentious and haughty as “Not to knock your worthy efforst, but…”
Why talk down to someone like that and adopt the tone of a pretentious debatelord when you ultimately agree with the other person?
I encountered people like that all over reddit, so I recognize them – the type of people who think any conversation is a debate that you must “win.” It’s precisely because he does agree with me that I’m so miffed.
They weren’t being pretentious or haughty. They amended one of your statements because it was a little inaccurate, then agreed that your wider point is correct. Because, yes, “wanting to hold on to what you have earned” is indeed an ideologically driven position
Let’s please keep this civil. I respectfully disagree, but I have no problem with you voicing your opinion. The issue is your assumption that the person who disagrees with you is a horrible individual, simply because they have a different opinion. I don’t even care who’s right at this point - we can debate an issue without insulting each other. And even if you’re enraged by it, hiding that fact and calmly countering their opinion with logic is far more effective at winning over an audience…
Edit: Before any accusation of unfair treatment is made, I’d like to clarify that I disapprove of the original comment’s rhetoric as well - there was no good reason to insult conservatives (“greedy [expletive]”) like they did.
What the fuck are you even talking about? Conservatives should be systemically and socially deplatformed and disenfranchised.
My issue with the person I was speaking to was the haughty arrogance they led with, presuming to argue with me about… what? Nothing they said contradicted what I was saying; yet, they come at me like a debatelord?
And now you have the arrogance to lecture me on the correct take ™? Literally cis white male energy. stfu
There wasn’t any “haughty arrogance,” they were just adding on to what you said with their view, and (from my understanding) were attempting to be polite by clarifying how your point still stands. Not everything is an argument…
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To what extent do you think education has played a role in allowing kids to critically analyse these types of people. Because in my history classes, we learned about ways people influenced others in nefarious ways and I’m wondering if kids see the same common pattern and know when to avoid.
Just a thought 🤷
Oh, I definitely think it’s played an important role. There’s a reason the right wing regularly attacks education. Seems to be a global thing, too – not just the US.
Also just a thought, though!
Good question, anyone that has an education will tell you it’s changed their life and I believe that too. Even though sometimes it’s boring, the advantage is just too good for future children. Just suspicious that right wing wants to reverse progress.
It’s become unfortunately popular in some circles to view education as strictly a state’s propaganda tool, but in spite of its flaws, I’ve been pretty impressed by how effective it can be in the hands of skilled and passionate groups of individual educators.
That’s not to say there aren’t bad teachers (and don’t even get me started on administrators and legislators), but I do attribute a lot to what it has accomplished, for example, in my remote state, and that’s in spite of being regularly attacked by christofascists. When I think about it, I’m not sure I’d have much of a healthy perspective on things if not for some influential teachers. I’m a huge fan of public education, and I think we need to speak up for it whenever we can. It’s tragic what’s happened to it these past few years in my state and others.
I see boomers posting “Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times.” on FB all the time, and they genuinely, unironically think they were here >strong men create good times< instead of where they really were, here >good times create weak men<, and so now we are absolutely here >weak men create hard times< thanks to them.
They’re just so close to seeing the point.
I thought it was weak men make me hard
13 year olds when they discover sex ed
For me it’s women with low standards.
The actual baby boomers were the weak men created by the good times.
The strong men created by hard times were their parents who fought in wwi and wwii
My generation (millennial/gen x) is also weak.
My children’s generation, unfortunately, might be the ones who grow to be strong, if we don’t turn around this disaster
I know you’re probably just joking on theme, but I still feel it’s important to say that this “Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times” shit is quite literally conservative mythology. It’s a line of reasoning made to justify the “necessity” of strongmen leaders (just one example) and, more often than not, starts a rabbit hole straight to fascism.
All that said though, yeah, I agree, fuck those guys thinking they’re so fuckin bad, when really they’re just losers holding us back
Boomers assuming people become conservative as a function of time as opposed to a function of “getting theirs”. I have no evidence but it seems to be you’re less likely to become conservative without having amassed some wealth to conserve…
People become more conservative as they gain wealth, not age.
I gained wealth and only realized how bullshit and unfair it all is 🤷♀️
Yeah, I should clarify that you have to gain wealth and also be an asshole.
I tripled my income this year, I’m more of a socialist than ever.
I want my taxes to go to something useful, instead of some dipshit’s 34th bailout.
Also negatively correlates with emotional intelligence
“You need to have a sense of ownership and responsibility for your community.”
“So you’re actually going to let me invest in the community and own things?”
“What? No! Jesus, no. I want you to feel responsible for my stuff and work to preserve a status quo that will never serve you.”
Historically, people have become more conservative, not as they age, but as they become more financially secure, own their own home, and want to keep more of the fruits of their labour.
That’s increasingly not happening, and we’re not happy about it.
and want to keep more of the fruits of their labour
Most conservatives want to keep the fruits of other peoples labor.
Exactly. If you went to school for 16 years to become a neurosurgeon, I have no problem with your $500k salary. But a $1mil+ salary because you started a fast food chain where the employees make minimum wage? That’s slavery.
“Fruits of their labor”
Well, fruits of exploitation of the global south that made your labor worth so much more than theirs.
100 years ago a big part of the young generation was socialist too. Look how much changed.
This whole obsession with policing people’s nationality came about because states were trying to clamp down on the massive amounts of working-class agitation that erupted across the world straight after WW1 - but all that history has essentially been scrubbed out from the “official” narratives.
This. We have to be weary that the owning class will put “leftists” in front of us to “vote for” and then this political energy will go to waste. Or they will draft us, or change the voting age, or get KOSA to pass. Idk. We gotta keep dodging the wrenches and throwing our hammers back at them.
What are you talking about? I think you missed my point
I always find it funny how internet-commies talk about an inevitable revolution and “throwing hammers” when in reality all commies irl are basement dwelling teens with social anxiety. Otherwise you’d be normal
If normal means being an ignorant lib with no rizz, I’d actually rather be who I am.
Shock coloured hair and writing paragraphs of nonsense into internet arguments isnt rizz my mate
So why don’t you try something else?
What does this message mean?
In the UK we have something called the “Shy Tory Factor”, where opinion polls almost always favour the left, because people will tell people (including pollsters) that they voted for one party, but then voted in a way they view they will be judged against.
IIRC it’s also noted in US politics, and IMO it’s highly likely that in certain areas you’ll find many people that will say all the right things in public, but secretly prefer Trump over Biden, regardless of what either party stands for.
God this is a depressing thought. We have enough people here who ARE already publicly vocal for the likes of our far right. To think that there are posers is kinda as terrifying as it is believable.
Where do people live where they see this happening? Where I live, the young have moved significantly to the right compared to the older generation.
Not sure where you live, but millennials and Gen z generally have more liberal views than conservative ones in the US, as far as I’m aware. Here’s a couple links to Pew Research Center, first is a number of statistics regarding political stances between generations (doesn’t include gen z) and the second is specifically about how Gen Z compares to older generations in political stances.
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2018/03/01/the-generation-gap-in-american-politics/
That’s because the ones that moved left also moved to the coastal cities.
Where I live
Where is that?
Finland.
Well then you’re definitely having a different experience than urban Americans and Canadians. I will say the rural folk are keeping right wing, but the cities are full of left leaning young’uns.
That definitely doesn’t match what I’ve seen, in Canada (both Sask and Ontario), nor what polls I’ve seen (eg, on topics like LGBT acceptance).
Note that the alt right are often the loudest (at least on a per capita basis). I think this can skew perception on how common they are, since they are over represented in online comments and there’s some kinds of online comments that are completely dominated by the right (to the degree where “don’t read the comments” is a meme in leftist circles).
Location definitely matters, too. Cities are way more accepting than rural or suburban areas. If you’re in a rural or suburban area, you have my sympathy. I grew up in a rural area myself and it was awful. I think many people (myself included) are purposefully fleeing shittier areas. That means progesssives not only migrate from rural to cities, but also from shitty provinces/states to better ones.
But even within the same cities, I’ve perceived younger people to get better over time. I’m pretty hopeful for gen Z, which seems better than my generation (millenials) were at the same age. I just wish we didn’t have to wait so long for progressives to outnumber regressives.
Seeing youth orgs like TPUSA and YAF on college and high school campuses means that we might have to start playing at their own game and not just take kids becoming socialist as default.
The very young do not always do as they are told
What if they were socialists, would I become a conservative just to spite them? I am honestly not 100% certain. I very well may be just that shallow.
Immoral reactionary and proud of it?
Who gives a fuck. Young people are always lefties. They will move to the center or right as they age if they survive in the society that is.
It’s not happening as much at the moment. That tends to happen as people buy houses, have family and feel comfortable. All of that is happening less for the younger generations than those that came before them so they aren’t going as conservative as they age
Bro I’m thriving in this society and am as left as they come. Whole bunch of stupid ass games that are easy to play when the circumstances favor you. They’re entirely unfair and inequitable.
Winning at this shit game is nothing to be proud of.
as a child(trust me bro) i can say im not socialist
It’s gonna be hilarious watching you guys serve under the boot when all your money comes from the government that controls you. Enjoy!
