Plouffe, who worked as a Harris campaign adviser, has taken aim at Biden obliquely in the past as well.
Feel like this is pretty important context for the statements. Because while I absolutely agree Biden should never have run for a second term, there seems to be a very vocal number of democratic campaign consultants and party officials who really wanted distract you from the fact that they ran a god-awful campaign. I don’t know if this Democratic establishment party could have won with anybody to be honest. Not the way they chose to handle themselves. Frankly I find their behavior to be even worse than Biden’s. The energy and electricity that Harris started her campaign with was transcendent, especially when they added Walz. Then they drove the whole campaign off a cliff. So excuse me if I’m not super sympathetic to the people that decided to run the Hillary Clinton campaign 2.0.
I don’t understand this perspective, no one had any excitement or interest in Biden and Harris had both of those things in spades, not sure what made the campaign “god awful” by engaging the base and drumming up a ton of excitement and money. Anything you can throw out there about not communicating about policy or whatever has to be applied to Trump who also didn’t do those things, especially when you consider dems get raked over the coals for not speaking plainly enough yet she’s supposed to plainly speak about public policy and foreign policy at a very high level? It seems like she was given a literally impossible task if you consider that campaign to be “god awful” of course she failed at an impossible task. Frankly I believe the election had very serious interference and that’s why she lost, and her behavior post election is unforgivable, just disappearing and leaving the American people she claimed she wanted to lead high and dry, she clearly has no desire to be a leader beyond the title and perks or she would be leading them dems now in a resistance against Trump. She’s a failure for sure, her behavior post election proves she was never cut out to be a leader or she would be leading now but running a “god awful campaign” is just dishonest
Bernie did, and he’s still pushing change. Not saying Kamala couldn’t end up in that spot too, but currently she seems to have taken it personal and scurried off into the woods like Hillary did after her awful campaign to lick her wounds. They both seem to have decided that if they couldn’t be queen then it’s not worth really fighting at all.
Hell, Ted Cruz is still “fighting” after losing his presidential running
Someone who actually believes in their own message, and honestly believes that the political agenda they’re working for are important, to the point of putting this things ahead of themselves.
When you lose, you can choose to lie down and give up, or you can pick yourself up and keep fighting. I’m not an ardent critic of Harris, but she clearly chose the former. The same goes for Hillary Clinton. Both these people had/have huge platforms that they could use to front politics and help build up other candidates for future elections, not only presidential, but local, senate and house elections too. They have chosen to disappear from politics instead.
That is arguably disappearing. After gaining such popularity, deciding not to use your influence for anything you were fighting for is probably not the right choice if you actually believed in the change.
I disagree. The millions of dollars of campaign money that amplifies the candidates voice suddenly goes away… that’s what happens. And the media shifts towards the winning candidate. It happens in literally every single election.
Ted Cruz still uses his influence to fight for his side and he lost a presidential race too. And with great “success” for some earthly reason i can’t begin to fathom.
Feel like this is pretty important context for the statements. Because while I absolutely agree Biden should never have run for a second term, there seems to be a very vocal number of democratic campaign consultants and party officials who really wanted distract you from the fact that they ran a god-awful campaign. I don’t know if this Democratic establishment party could have won with anybody to be honest. Not the way they chose to handle themselves. Frankly I find their behavior to be even worse than Biden’s. The energy and electricity that Harris started her campaign with was transcendent, especially when they added Walz. Then they drove the whole campaign off a cliff. So excuse me if I’m not super sympathetic to the people that decided to run the Hillary Clinton campaign 2.0.
I don’t understand this perspective, no one had any excitement or interest in Biden and Harris had both of those things in spades, not sure what made the campaign “god awful” by engaging the base and drumming up a ton of excitement and money. Anything you can throw out there about not communicating about policy or whatever has to be applied to Trump who also didn’t do those things, especially when you consider dems get raked over the coals for not speaking plainly enough yet she’s supposed to plainly speak about public policy and foreign policy at a very high level? It seems like she was given a literally impossible task if you consider that campaign to be “god awful” of course she failed at an impossible task. Frankly I believe the election had very serious interference and that’s why she lost, and her behavior post election is unforgivable, just disappearing and leaving the American people she claimed she wanted to lead high and dry, she clearly has no desire to be a leader beyond the title and perks or she would be leading them dems now in a resistance against Trump. She’s a failure for sure, her behavior post election proves she was never cut out to be a leader or she would be leading now but running a “god awful campaign” is just dishonest
We’re literally talking about a national election where she offered her leadership and America said “No.” lol who sticks around after that?
“Who sticks around after that?”
Bernie did, and he’s still pushing change. Not saying Kamala couldn’t end up in that spot too, but currently she seems to have taken it personal and scurried off into the woods like Hillary did after her awful campaign to lick her wounds. They both seem to have decided that if they couldn’t be queen then it’s not worth really fighting at all.
Hell, Ted Cruz is still “fighting” after losing his presidential running
Someone who actually believes in their own message, and honestly believes that the political agenda they’re working for are important, to the point of putting this things ahead of themselves.
When you lose, you can choose to lie down and give up, or you can pick yourself up and keep fighting. I’m not an ardent critic of Harris, but she clearly chose the former. The same goes for Hillary Clinton. Both these people had/have huge platforms that they could use to front politics and help build up other candidates for future elections, not only presidential, but local, senate and house elections too. They have chosen to disappear from politics instead.
neither of them disappeared they’re just not as loud as they were during the campaign
That is arguably disappearing. After gaining such popularity, deciding not to use your influence for anything you were fighting for is probably not the right choice if you actually believed in the change.
I disagree. The millions of dollars of campaign money that amplifies the candidates voice suddenly goes away… that’s what happens. And the media shifts towards the winning candidate. It happens in literally every single election.
Ted Cruz still uses his influence to fight for his side and he lost a presidential race too. And with great “success” for some earthly reason i can’t begin to fathom.
Also Bernie.