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    There are only 535 Americans’ opinions that might matter, and only if they have enough support to not only pass a law revoking the President’s war authority, but upholding the inevitable veto. I’m not holding my breath.

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    Nearly half say they would be more likely to support continued military action if it led to a government in Iran that is friendly to the U.S. or puts an end to the Iranian nuclear program.

    The downside risks are also evident: 54% say they would be less likely to support U.S. military action if it leads to U.S. casualties. Many also indicate their support would decline if U.S. actions led to a broader conflict in the Middle East.

    “If this goes well, I will have always been behind it. If it goes poorly, I was always against.”

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      “If this goes well, I will have always been behind it. If it goes poorly, I was always against.”

      This basically describes every public opinion poll on every political topic ever

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    A new Reuters/Ipsos poll, conducted February 28 – March 1, finds that 43% of Americans disapprove of U.S. military strikes against Iran, while 27% approve; about three-in-ten say they are unsure.

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    “God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change; courage to change the things I can; and wisdom to know the difference.”

    It frustrates me beyond words that we can’t even get 51% of Americans to agree on something like this, which I think is so obvious. But, that’s where we are as a country. I suppose I need to have enough wisdom to accept that.

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      It frustrates me beyond words that we can’t even get 51% of Americans to agree on something like this, which I think is so obvious. But, that’s where we are as a country. I suppose I need to have enough wisdom to accept that.

      Said every American on every issue ever.

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      majority dont wan to “ruffle the feathers” so to speak. thats why, they are content as long as they can have thier expensive toys, like ev cars, 100k truck,etc.

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    I think regime change in Iran is important. At the same time, I can’t help but feel the US is not doing this out of altruism, but out of opportunism.

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      What’s regime change going to do in the long run?

      Iran currently has elections which routinely elect pro-nuclear Presidents. Also, changing the government to remove clerical influence doesn’t resolve the Sunni-Shia split in regional politics.

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        The people of Iran have been fighting for regime change. I don’t think the issue is necessarily with the presidents, but with the “Supreme Leader”.

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          Some people have, but I don’t assume Iran to have a monolithic political culture. It is like judging someone from San Francisco and Fresno as having the same political beliefs. Currently, the people from Fresno are in charge.

          Using that analogy, I could see a leftist in San Francisco choosing an aggressive foreign policy after a school in their city was bombed by a foreign power while they were trying to make peace.

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            Of course it’s not unanimous. It’s hard to get a true complete consensus.

            Had you been following the protests in Iran even before the attacks?

            I’ve met many people from Iran. Every single one of them left due to the regime, or were children of parents who left because of the regime.

            I’m not making this point out of pro-American imperialism. Not in the slightest. This is about what many people in Iran want, and what their government has been murdering them for wanting.

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              Had you been following the protests in Iran even before the attacks?

              Yes, but I don’t see why that justifies bombing Iran.

              And what I’m alluding to earlier, Israel isn’t bombing Iran because it cares about the freedoms of Iranian women. It is bombing Iran because Israel and Iran are regional rivals.

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                Yes, but I don’t see why that justifies bombing Iran.

                That’s not what I said. What I said was,

                I think regime change in Iran is important

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                  You’re saying “regime change is important” on a post about American attacks on Iran and the current administration is saying that regime change is the purpose of the attacks.

                  That sounds like you support the attack on Iran.

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      This is Iran’s second dose of regime change. Somehow you’d think if it didn’t work the first time we’d try something different the second time.

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    It is the same damn story every time. We know that MAGAs only constitute 30-40% of Americans. It is the shitty US election system and more which enables them to completely rule the country despite being a minority. They will never have a majority in anything, and there will always be a majority disliking what Trump and his fascists does.

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    “less than all but more americans do not not disaprove than not don’t not approven’t”

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      Protests don’t have to be about intimidating anyone. They’re important as a tool for letting other people, who might also want to resist, know that they are not alone. I’m guessing based on your phrasing that you aren’t from the US, so I’m going to assume you aren’t familiar with how things work over here. It’s a big country, in terms of landmass. The US is almost as large as the entirety of Europe (~3.5m sq. miles vs. ~3.9m sq. miles.) It’s essentially impossible to coordinate anything over that large an area, especially considering how spread out everything is. Organized protests like the No Kings events, though, present a unified front across the country, and let everyone know that people everywhere feel the same way they do, and even though they might only have immediate contact to their local community, the resistance is much larger than that.

      “Standing up to our oppressors” is also more difficult than you seem to think. It’s really easy to sit there behind a keyboard in another part of the world and type big words, but it’s a lot harder to commit to an armed resistance that will, in all likelihood, result in dying. The US military is huge, and mega-funded. Local law enforcement is very likely to be on the establishment’s side. They’re all armed and don’t hesitate to quash even peaceful resistance with violence. How do you think it’s going to go when someone starts shooting back?

      For a true resistance to be effective, it needs to be organized and coordinated, and that’s simply very difficult to accomplish. I certainly don’t know how to do it. Do you?

      Or are you just advocating for people to go die in ineffectual attempts to assassinate government officials?

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        So you’re saying you can’t contemplate a way to make protests work. Got it. I agree.

        Thank you for inadvertently proving my point.

        I hope you have the day you’re willing to fight for.

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          Well, if that’s your takeaway from all that, I guess there’s very little point in trying to discuss this further with you.

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            My takeaway is that you haven’t convinced me. I know you feel different, but I believe you to be wrong. There is nothing you can say to convince me otherwise because I have reality as evidence.

            The United States is heading to an inevitable and irreversible state of decay. It’s going to make the fall of the USSR look like a party.

            You can block your eyes and ears all you want…… it doesn’t make your words correct.

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              You offer no solutions, suggestions, or even counter-points - only negativity and nay saying. Frankly, that makes me not really give a shit about your opinion.

              There is nothing you can say to convince me otherwise because I have reality as evidence.

              Then there’s especially no point in discussing this further with you.

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                You offer no solution. I have a solution but we both know you won’t agree with it… so why bring it up?

                there is nothing I can say to convince you

                So there is especially no point in discussing this further with you.

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            Everyone should stop working, march on Washington and Mar-a-Lago, and tear everyone limb from limb until it’s just a bloody mess

            There are only 3 choices now that voting and protesting have proven ineffective:

            Fight

            Leave

            Accept

            Which one are you?

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      Minnesota had an election while under occupation by ICE and Border Patrol. They went out to vote while their neighbors were being shot in the street. Guess who won?

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            It’s not ever going to be “over” then, so… what’s your point? The current United States is done for. Whatever comes out of the ashes wont be for decades. Just expect USSR style fallout, but significantly worse and far more bloody.

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              Booo. A true leader will emerge from the ashes and lay waste to the oligarchy, as prophecized by plato.

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                  Every representative government follows the same formula, though overthrow of a monarch, to stages of oligarchic repression, to a true leader coming along and laying waste to that oligarchy, there are no exceptions in history. Let’s make it happen.