Is there actual proof that he plotted to assassinate Trump? We know Trump has taken over the FBI and installed loyalists. Are we just going to take their word every time they say they’ve stopped some grand conspiracy like this?
He did it wrong. Neither of his parents were Trump.
He was just using process of elimination to eventually figure out who Trump is and is not.
Ah, the scientific method.
Well he narrowed it down.
The kid’s views are extremist, for sure, but the part about the assassination, not so much. A majority of Americans would support a guillotine for Trump. Kid’s a centrist when it comes to his idea of what should be done with Trump. Finally, a topic that can bring the far-right and progressives together.
Well that went in a totally different direction than I thought it would. He thinks they’re not white supremacist enough?
There’s always people like that. Elon Musk’s grandfather thought Hitler was a Jewish plant because he wasn’t anti-semitic enough.
he wanted their money. i’m still trying to understand why he, as a nazi, wanted to murder trump though. i feel like part of this story isn’t being reported here.
While they’re all pretty much the same in all the ways that matter to everyone who isn’t a racist asshole, if you care to dig into it there’s a lot of different white supremacists ideologies that really aren’t compatible with each other. Historically a lot of different movements there spent a lot of time arguing and fighting with, and hating each other, which is why the “unite the right” thing was kind of a big deal.
KKK doesn’t like Catholics, that’s a sizeable portion of white people they have a problem with
There’s some that think Christianity in general is a Jewish conspiracy, which is part of why you get some of them being all about Norse paganism and such.
Do they want to take over the US and remake it how they want, or do they want to split off from the US and start their own country?
Are they in favor of some sort of democracy, monarchy, theocracy, dictatorship, even occasionally some form of anarchy, etc?
You can go really deep down the rabbit hole trying to unpack all of their competing ideas. They’re all crazy and extreme, but they’re crazy and extreme in different ways.
It’s not at all surprising to me that some of them don’t like trump, maybe they just outright don’t like him, maybe they think he’s a useful idiot who has outlived his usefulness, maybe they think he isn’t going far enough, maybe they’re just insane.
Just like how there is Leftist in fighting, except a lot stupider and more dangerous. I keep making reference to the Night of Long Knives here
“Oh looky here, someone trying to bring the left into this 😡”
I guess I didn’t really understand the diversity of this shit. It’s probably good to have a more nuanced view, so cheers
In the St Louis area, about 20 years ago, there was a friendly understanding between the rural white supremacist gangs (peckerheads, SS, etc) and the Black urban (mostly Crip affiliated) gangs. The white gangs had been taken over by a group of white separatists who advocated peaceful coexistence but absolutely no intermingling with the inferior races. Meanwhile, the Black gangs were perfectly amenable to that and kept their activities in the urban area. When the opioid epidemic hit, they divided up territory, kept to their own lanes, and occasionally cooperated against cops.
I live somewhat close to an area where the klan still has some presence. A friend of mine worked at a convenience store in that area for a while.
He’s practically a living caricature of blond-haired, blue eyed whiteness (and also one of the genuinely least racist people I know, he’s currently engaged to a black girl)
So looking the way he does, the local grand wizard or whatever ridiculous title he had took a liking to him and would hang around and try to talk to him.
Since he was on the clock, he couldn’t exactly just tell this guy to pound sand, and he actually managed to have some interesting conversations with him while he was there.
Overall, the impression he got of this klansman was that if black people and white people could just kind of each have their own countries, he’d be totally ok with that and would wish black people the best with their endeavors.
Not that that’s a good way of thinking at all, but coming from a card-carrying racist asshole, that almost feels like progressive thought.
Also I remember an quick throwaway scene in Orange is the New Black, where a couple of the racist white characters were having some kind of discussion among themselves along the lines of “I’m a white nationalist, not a Nazi” or something along those lines.
The difference between the far Right and the far Left is that the far Right only has these discussions of differences in ideology when they’re in their own safe spaces. Separatist vs supremacist, authoritarian vs anarchist, Christian vs pagan. But when confronted with the Left, they close ranks, forgive each others’ shortcomings, and tow the line. Meanwhile Leftists would rather lose again and again than team up with someone who has the slightest difference in political ideology.
There’s also accelerationists who can justify whatever if they convince themselves it will be a catalyst. I don’t think its hard to imagine dumbass white supremacist believing that Trump getting assassinated would finally start their race war.
Yea, there were klansmen voting for Obama because they legitimately thought it’d make the whole country kick out black people. People hold really weird beliefs.
There’s some that think Christianity in general is a Jewish conspiracy,
So Jesus was a double agent? Or the truth is what Jews believe, that Jesus wasn’t the son of God? If so it’s a real 4d chess to promote a conspiracy by claiming it’s fake.
Any info on who believes this?
Jesus was a Jew, advocating for sacrifice and mercy, versus the old Pagan gods were white perfect warriors with no compunction about slaughtering the weak to protect the volk or some bullshit. Its the same shit you hear about cultural Bolshevism or whatever.
I won’t pretend to know all of the details, but as I understand it, the basic idea is something along the line of Christianity was an attempt to make Judaism more palatable to the masses so that their influence for spread.
Which, when you’re looking at it through that kind of crazy racist lens, I guess it makes some kind of sense, Jesus more or less did say “hey, you know all that old testament nonsense with crazy rules about how you can cut your hair, not eating pork, circumcision, wearing different fabrics, not turning on the lights on Saturday, etc? Yeah, ignore that shit, no one likes it and it’s not important. Now go out and spread my new, cooler version of Judaism around the world” (Not a direct quote) And it was successful, some sort of jewish-derived religion did end up taking over much of the world.
I don’t buy that there was any sort of conspiracy to rebrand Judaism into Christianity, and if even there ever was I think they clearly lost control of it at some point.
As for who believes this, again, it’s a big fractured world of crazy racists, so it’s not always easy to say “here’s an organized and recognizable group of people with shared beliefs” and I really don’t feel like going down the rabbit hole to find a bunch of fringe white supremacist groups who hold some variation of that specific idea.
But off the top of my head, I believe Varg Vikernes, known for being influential in early Norwegian black metal, murder, and burning down churches, subscribes to some version of that conspiracy.
Because he is so far right Trump is to the left of him
the kid that missed the ear was an angry right winger that was mad he was too far right last i recalled. so they’re coming from both sides now, if this is being reported honestly now.
What? They BOTH came from the extreme right! AFAIK there has been no left wing attacks (yet).
reread what i wrote. being left of trump does not mean left wing.
that being said, i also can’t recall his exact details at this point, just that he was right wing that had donated to dems at one point.
None of them were left of Trump AFAIK.
Anyways I wouldn’t call it both sides, he is attacked by his own, because they are all Nazi sociopaths.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Matthew_Crooks
it’s confirmed he donated to dems. the only data that would say he’s further right is merely “believed to be associated with the shooter”.
(yet)
I know right. If he wants Nazis, then the right people are already in charge.
The sheriff’s department issued a search warrant and say they found material on the teen’s phone related to “The Order of Nine Angles,” which is “a network of individuals holding new-Nazi racially motivated extremist views,” according to investigators.
The Federal Bureau of Investigation reviewed documents allegedly written by the teen, which calls for the assassination of Trump and the start of a revolution to “save the white race,” according to federal court documents.
That’s an interesting way the describe The Order of Nine Angles. I’d have gone with “decentralized Satanist neo-Nazi terrorist organization.”
The Nazis hate Satan, please leave Satanists out of this.
Blame them not me.
same problem as furries. Amazing how incredibly ironic it can get, nazis in liberal or leftish groups.
https://slate.com/human-interest/2021/11/nazi-furries-deradicalization-efforts.html
Racists pop up anywhere, and don’t deserve to represent those cross culture groups.
He judged, I think accurately, that they weren’t willing to relinquish the funds needed to * checks notes * assassinate the elected leader of a global superpower? Holy shit, and he’s so much of a Nazi that he sees Trump as a reasonable candidate for left-leaning targets? Who the fuck did this kid think he was, fucking Giga Hitler?
Do- Does he have a fucking anime Victoria Louise body pillow?
Not my OC, it could be. If you say it’s Victoria I’ll take your word for it.
So he is 17, his mom was 35, and his dad was 51? Thats some uncomfortable math.
Then he tries to become an uber nazi thanks to social media.
Just awful all around.
It may be a power imbalance. There’s a link between domestic abuse and extremism so I wouldn’t be surprised if he was raised in an abusive home
That was my first concern.
Someone else pointed out they mention stepfathrr elsewhere (I kept seeing just “parents”), so it may not be the case - or at least not as obviously the case as it would be if the father was the biodad as well.
“The teen’s stepfather, Donald Mayer, 51…”
Horrible, but at least not that part.
Thanks, I kept seeing “his parents” but missed the “stepfather”. That makes that part not awful at least.
As nutty as trump’s supporters are. It’s truly terrifying that there are still plenty out there that feel he hasn’t gone far enough.
i’m trying to understand in what world a nazi would be angry with trumps actions.
From what I understand, much of American nazi ideology revolves around accelerationism towards an all-out genocidal race war. If their white savior figure were to be martyred it could further radicalize the right towards that end. Keep in mind the last attempt on Trumps life was by a right-winger and that only galvanized his followers. They aren’t angry with Trump, they’re just insane bigots that will go to any lengths to promote genocide.
e.g. the Reichstag fire where Nazis burned down their own parliament to frame their enemies.
much of American nazi ideology
I don’t know about “much of”, but the Manson family had something along those lines.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helter_Skelter_(scenario)
The Helter Skelter scenario is an apocalyptic vision that was supposedly embraced by Charles Manson and members of his so-called Family. At the trial of Manson and three others for the Tate–LaBianca murders, the prosecution presented it as motivating the crimes and as an aspect of the case for conspiracy.[1] Via interviews and autobiographies, former Family members related what they had witnessed and experienced of it.
In both the trial and his subsequent (1974) book, Helter Skelter: The True Story of the Manson Murders, prosecutor Vincent Bugliosi presented evidence that, in a period that preceded the murders, Manson prophesied what he called Helter Skelter, an apocalyptic war that would arise from racial tensions between black and white people. [2]: 311 The prophecy involved reference to the New Testament’s Book of Revelation[2]: 238–44 and to the Beatles’ music, particularly songs from their 1968 White Album.
Funny that a helter skelter is just a big slide
Who is waiting in the wings to take over?
I mean, didn’t Trump renege on some tariffs and back off on some other things while trying to hide the recensions by either distracting the public or just blaming the democrats.
The kid likely is in the mindset that any bit of ‘give’ shows weakness.
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The Federal Bureau of Investigation reviewed documents allegedly written by the teen, which calls for the assassination of Trump and the start of a revolution to “save the white race,” according to federal court documents.
My guess is that the plan was to frame “the left” for the assassination and trigger a race war. These nuts are so itching for a fight that they believe that the entire country is on the verge of neighbors fighting neighbors, and they just need to push it over the edge.
Not going to lie. I had a bit of a start at first before I read the article wondering if that were the case. Which I think is exactly why the media framed it the way they did. A lot of people will only see the headlines.
Teen Kills Parents Under Influence of Online Nazis is the correct headline. “I’m gonna kill my parents so I have the money to kill the president” is not an assassination plot, it’s just a delusion.
material on the teen’s phone related to “The Order of Nine Angles,” which is “a network of individuals holding new-Nazi racially motivated extremist views,”
calls for the assassination of Trump and the start of a revolution to “save the white race,” according to federal court documents.
The alleged writings shows images of Adolf Hitler with the following text: “HAIL HITLER HAIL THE WHITE RACE HAIL VICTORY,”
Hard to grasp how incredibly broken those people are. Like, has no one ever told them it actually feels good to help other people? It’s been scientifically supported as one of the most effective joy-inducing activities known, far beyond acquiring wealth or shopping. Ironically, it’s probably the best way to demonstrate a sense of power (which these hollow souls seem to pursuing, through vitriol)…the power to influence someone else’s existence in a beneficial way.
I know, right? There are some people that just are mentally broken in some irreparable way, but that’s a small percentage. The rest, it’s just so hard to imagine what led them here. And it’s sad that it’s come to this.
As the other commenter alluded, perhaps they’ve just calcified their brains into a transactional paradigm trapped in a zero-sum arena.
They never flirted with the idea love can be an infinite resource.
actually feels good to help other people?
What do you think he was doing but help white people? There is no evil, just ‘good’ people killing or surpressing those who are standing in the way to a good world.
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Trump’s propaganda engine will spin this so they can say, “See?! Real Nazis want to kill Trump, so obviously he’s not fascist!”
The Federal Bureau of Investigation reviewed documents allegedly written by the teen, which calls for the assassination of Trump and the start of a revolution to “save the white race,” according to federal court documents.
Something tells me the administration will ignore this.
“And he paid for, at least in part, a drone and explosives to be used as a weapon of mass destruction to commit an attack,” investigators said in the federal affidavit.
What’s “mass” about one drone? Is this just language to bring different legalities to bear?
Any destructive device is categorized as a WMD in the U.S., and rightly so. One drone strapped with a pipe bomb can cause a lot of damage very quickly with very high precision.
I don’t know about Wisconsin specifically, but some jurisdictions legally classify explosives as WMDs, alongside all the nukes and chemical weapons and stuff that people think of ordinarily.
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The hatred will consume itself. I hope to be left out of it.
The drone was a good idea, but… wow kid, you crazy.
I thought Nazis like the sitting president?
Some nazis out there think Trump isn’t going fast enough.
Lots of different Nazis out there.
Some, I assume, are good people.
Edit for downvoters: I guess people don’t remember Trump’s “some, I assume, are good people” quote?
“Some, I assume, are good people, some want me dead. You win some, you lose some, I guess…”
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The good ones stop being Nazis once they get out of their information bubbles.
Or they choke on a bullet.
At which point they stop being nazis
Well then they become a dead Nazi, they’re a former alive person but it’d be misleading to call them a former Nazi
This isn’t the way.
…Huh.
Right idea, wrong motive, I guess?
Wrong idea if it includes killing your parents.
Probably not the ideal way to go about it, no.
OTOH, I have serious questions for anyone that could raise a child to be a white supremacist that’s trying to start a racial holy war. Or I would, if the suspect hadn’t already murdered them.
I think they were referring to the method to be used later on.
A bit confused the guy…
