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The amount of bootlickers I’m starting to see in Nintendo’s YouTube comments is pathetic
Same for AC Shadows. “You don’t have to buy the cosmetics!” Motherfucker every single bit of content should be in a game that you paid full price for.
Its Todd’s fault.
Fucking horse armor.
no it’s the customers. though once we ridiculed Bethesda for horse armor, people now fork over 20, 40, 100 dollars for a fucking skin. I’m sorry is an overwatch skin supposed to be worth a third of a full game? yeah I bet it took two years to develop it.
… You’re right.
People get abaolutely addicted to mtx, and at this point, you’d have to societally treat mtx, and legally regulate mtx like cigarettes, to actually address the problem.
Todd may have… invented the potion, or uncorked the bottle… but way, way too many people just keep gulping it down.
The Nintendo fanboys/girls are the real, true, ‘winners’ of the console wars mindset, the last holdouts.
Almost nobody really gives a shit anymore to tie their personalities to Sony or MSFT… because basically, console exclusives don’t really exist, and almost everything is on PC as well.
But Nintendo? Nope. The company still holds a death grip on their inhouse titles being exclusive to their consoles, and the nostalgia/stolckhom syndrome is apparently the strongest with the Nintendo crowd.
It took almost a decade for people to finally be able to admit that GameFreak is basically incompetent. You could not say that even 5 years ago w/o a deluge of insults and arguments and special pleading.
The cope is strong with these ones, Nintendo would never hurt them without a good reason for doing so.
Nintendo titles are on PC. See: emulation.
I mean, yes, but you need a … fairly out of comparable price range to a console, pc, to be able to emulate … most wiiU forward games? depending on specific game, your definition of a playable frame rate?
I was trying to mostly focus on the ‘console wars’ aspect of the whole thing, and how official releases that were console exclusives a decade ago on an Xbox or PS… basically those all just come out on PC a few years later now, though there are a few exceptions to this, I think.
Bringing emulation into the discussion makes the comparison exceptionally complicated, because PCs vary so much, in so many ways, and of course the legal … dark gray area, and how its often considerably more complicated than just plug and play.
I’m holding out to see what Mario Odyssey 2 looks like, because I’m a sucker for Mario games.
Exclusives sadly still exist and it bums me out a game is available on Console X but not on Y. Some of those I could buy for my PC, but I prefer playing on my comfy couch instead of the PC in my home office.
Then it becomes spite, and I stop buying the studios games altogether (looking at you, Square Enix)
1: I agree that the remaining exclusives are still annoying, but it is quite a far cry from the 00s and early 10s, where … with some notable exceptions, basically only shovelware corpo IP slop was not console exclusive, and the norm was largely based on picking a console for a its game library as a huge factor, as almost everything super popular/good was exclusive.
2: You… know you can set up some kind of streaming box or other wireless solution from your PC to your living room TV, right?
I used to just carry my rig into the living room and hardwire connect it to my TV for certain occasions… now there are many ways to just do that wirelessly.
I rocked a multi monitor set up that also included the TV in my room for a while as well, all hardwired, would just set up the TV as an optional 3rd monitor to put on movies and lounge on my bed.
1: Ah, I didn’t do any console gaming from around 2009 to 2015, didn’t realize it was that bad
2: Works for some games. I play lots of driving and fast paced games, and the input latency from streaming just plain makes them unplayable.
Ah, true, thats fair, with the input latency.
There may be more effective solutions to that, but that gets complicated fast depending on a lot of technical factors, layout of your home, budget constraints, etc.
BT would work if my PC was in range, then the input would be fast, but still the added image latency makes micro adjustments pain since you see them late, still.
Running a DP cable instead of streaming would fix that, but you’d need a converter to transform into HDMI for the TV.
HDMI over long distance doesn’t work.
That all sounds about right, yeah, a DisplayPort cable would work… but basically yeah, there aren’t many (any?) TVs that have DP … ports, and a long DP cable can be fairly pricey…
A … relatively cheap wireless solution might work if you dropped the resolution down to 2K or 1080, but it sounds like you’re going for 4k?
But Im just spitballing, sounds like you know your setup and have looked into this.
They are the equivalent of Disney Adult
Pay to use hardware button that offers 10 FPS pre-skype era fidelity is totally a good thing to show off, and Nintendo has totally never been the only company to notoriously harass, litigate, and shutdown mods, tournaments, homebrew. emulators, fan projects, and literally anyone who so much as so glances at their Intellectual Property.
Utterly delusional
It’s funny you guys think these are actual fans and not bots bought through a marketing campaign
You’ve never noticed before? This ain’t a new argument
And in the Nintendo communities
The amount of angry gamer nerds is even more pathetic.
also, at least ubisoft shit goes on sale, and the used copies are less expensive…
for nintendo, once in a blue moon the game will have a 10$ discount and that’s it
I really miss the Nintendo Selects, but I’m pretty sure those died with the digital push.
I bough Farcry 5 for around $10 CAD a few years back and that’s about how much value I got put of it.
I bought Immortals: Fenyx Rising for about 8 bucks the other day while it was on sale. Honestly great value, I’ve already put in 30 hours and I’m not even halfway finished with it
Because Ubisoft only sells shit. Nobody’s paying $60 when they’ll just make the same game and slap the next year on it in 10 months from now.
At least Nintendo games are quality made. (Pokémon doesn’t count - that’s made by Game freak)
i said ubisoft but quality stuff by sony or microsoft (or any big studio) goes on sale too like a year after its released
for nintendo, a 7 year old rerelease of an 11 year old game is full price! even at retail! and the used copies aren’t much cheaper!
the only mario games on switch that go on sale are the mario + rabbids games, which are pretty good (definitely better than some 1st party nintendo stuff). the reason they go on sale, well, they’re published by ubisoft!
nintendo doesn’t allow their games to go on sale. the only times it happens is either they felt like giving you a 5% discount, or the game is so shit it ends up in clearance bins
This isn’t entirely true. I got Zelda TOTK for $40 on release. Kind of.
I bought Costco Nintendo gift cards which saves you $20 (if I remember right) and then bought the combo pack deal which included TOTK. It came out to getting every game for $40 each. Of course, the physical copy is a whole different story.
I will admit: I’m in this picture.
Game developers have to eat, too, so a (!) price hike at some point was expected, the price for AAA games was set to 60$ before smart phones existed. They only stayed at 60 so long because gaming got much more popular in that time, driving sales. IF (!) this increase would allow developers to pay their employees more and eliminated the crunch culture, I’d have no problem with it.
But we know this is just corporate greed. Pay extra to own your game physically, pay extra to play your old games, join our subscription program. Oh, you’re in Europe and your wages kept up with inflation? Forget the 33%, you can afford a 50% price increase instead.
With the Japanese-only model being the singular exception, you’d think the direct was lead by 3 new faces just so Nintendo could put the blame on them when the thing doesn’t sell well due to the price.
Oh, and Skull and Bones was dog shit, of course everyone hated it’s ludicrous price point.
As you alluded to, the developers will get exactly 0% of the profits from that price hike. Games today are very profitable at $60. The problem is that execs are eating into those profits before pissing the rest down to the developers. There is also a really shitty tech bro culture that many game studios have, decorating their studios with overpriced and expensive tat which should have been spent on employees.
You know the tariffs mean the Switch 2 may actually now cost $600, not $450, right?
You gotta pay the club membership fee before you can pay for event attendance.
Oh I know. Would suck to be American right now 😎.
I instead get to pay a converted 98$, 50% more than Xenoblade X or Brothership cost here…
Ah, my American is showing, assumed you were ‘one of us’ lol.
Apologies.
But uh yeah… we are completely fucked lol.
EDIT: I still can’t wrap my head around how basically every American Asmongold viewer right now must be tying themselves in even more mental pretzels to avoid comprehending how they voted for the guy that just made not only video games and hardware instantly 30% more expensive, but also basically everything else they need to buy/pay regularly to keep their ‘Being a Living Human Being’ battlepass going.
I just cannot grasp how stupid these idiots are, but there are somethingn like 100 million of them.
By odd coincidence you just named the most recent two games that I purchased.
I think a big part of it is that a lot of gaming companies keep wanting to make AAA gaming, but no one wants to pay for AAA gaming.
Mario Kart 8 was already a recycled game from the Wii U and it sold well. After it stopped selling copies, Nintendo sold more DLC with the Booster Course Pass.
With the more robust tools developers have available now and the reduced need for optimization due to more powerful hardware games should be cheaper to produce, not more expensive. Especially if you use a cartoon art style like most Nintendo games.
And Nintendo lawsuits going after grandmas.
Not only that, Ubisoft is actually the only one so far who has spent more money a full legal team to go against anyone who dares to do a honest review of their latest pile of dogshit, namely, ACS, than they spent in the development of the game itself
People really don’t seem to understand that video game prices have not kept up with inflation. It’s why I didn’t bat an eye at spending $70 on Baldur’s Gate 3 despite the original costing like $50. When you account for inflation, it’s actually cheaper.
That said, I avoid Nintendo on principle. Refusing to sell old games so that they can sue people who pirate them is ghoulish and inhuman. As long as Gary Bowser is forced to pay them, I never will.
Game companies can get my sympathy when wages begin to keep up with inflation. Otherwise, it belongs to the pirates and emus. You can “it’s not their fault” all the way to “doesn’t matter, it’s still my problem”.
The expandinon ofmarket, competition and the cheaper methods of distribution.
An expanding market and competition don’t change the fact that prices go up when prices go up. I suppose I can grant that it’s cheaper to sell ones and zeros over the internet than it is to ship a bunch of discs to every GameStop. But still, physical manufacturing and distribution make up a small percentage of the price of a game
As long as profit go up, you prices is not all that important.
That’s a terrible argument. Gary was selling their games. Any company was going to go after someone doing such a thing.
Gary was modifying hardware that people owned. That the modifications he was doing allowed for the play of pirated games is not in itself piracy. Besides, there is no fucking way he personally cost them enough money to justify having to pay them 30% of every dollar he makes for the rest of his life.
Mario Kart iteration and no first sale doctrine, fuck that
Oh just wait until Nintendo shits out another half baked pokemon game that looks like a student project from 2005 and watch all the man children that think being obsessed with pokemon is a personality triat pay $90 for that shit.
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“Oooh, retro!”
It’s not that Mario Kart is worth 90, it’s that a lot of these AAA games aren’t worth 60.
Well, and also Mario Kart isn’t worth $90
it’s worth $40 at best imo
Pre switch it was 40$, we saw the sign when SWSH was 60$+ DLC
Eh, there‘s some truth to either one. Game development is expensive and pricing hasn’t kept up with inflation ($60 in 2010 are almost $90 today). But also, games are ridiculously expensive at full price, especially in todays economy and especially if they’re as badly received as Skull and Bones, while Nintendo games are at the very least usually pretty decent.
I’d recommend voting with your wallet and only buying games on sale or used. Just wait a little. (Or pirate them, if you can live with not supporting the developers at all).
Yes, but the difference is that wages have not significantly gone up since then apart from minimum wage in a few states. That is the difference. People are literally poorer because of the massively increased wealth inequality coming from employers shoving down wages while making yearly record profits…
If peoples’ purchasing power is more or less the same, factoring in inflation to game prices would result in a ton of people simply not being able to buy “luxury goods” like video games.
Game dev salaries have increased roughly in line with inflation though, so development time still costs the studio the same as 15 years ago, while AAA game prices are only now starting to surpass the $70 mark with games not generally surpassing the $60 mark until 2020.
It’s a wonder, they haven’t increased to prices any sooner, as much as I‘d like them staying where they were.
And again: if you don’t like the prices, vote with your wallet, buy used or on sale or don’t pay at all.
I would like to see the stats on that. A lot of times people who are in the industry or know someone in it see their wages and others’ wages going up and say “wages went up with inflation” where the starting wage or the wage normalized to seniority level actually hasn’t changed much at all. For example, in engineering like electriical (outside of silicon valley in the US which has its own economical wage ecosystem) has had entry level positions that have gone up around 20% since the 2008 while inflation has gone up almost 50% since 2008 and productivity has skyrocketed with CAD advancements.
“games are ridiculously expensive at full price”
A board game with paper and plastic pieces can range from 12-45 dollars
People will go spend $20 at the movies for 1 night
Hell I’ll pay 100 if it’s a good game
I have 1200 hours in Overwatch. $60 (free now). I have paid 5 cents per hour to play it. I am completely happy with my purchase even though it’s free now.
If the game isn’t worth it, don’t get it. But to complain about it is ridiculous.
Some N64 games were $50-$60 dollars back in the 90’s
I feel like we are fortunate
I agree with this. I have quite a few games I paid 60 dollars for that per hour entertainment makes it insanely cheap. Smaller cheaper indie games are even cheaper per hour.
It does suck though paying full price for something that will not fulfill that. I bought star wars outlaws or whatever for half price. I knew it wasn’t good but man it was worse than I expected. Not with the price to me even though I probably played 10 hours or so. I read some reviews but I should’ve read more.
I think a lot of the problem is that they cheap out to maximize profit.
They could spend 1 million dollars and make a decent game for $70.
Or
They could spend 2 million and make an amazing game for $140.
But the price of the video game has been locked around 60-70 for years.
Even if you made star wars outlaws just a little better it’s not going to sell that much more.
Looks like it’s already at least 50% off
You can’t spend 2 million, sell for $70, then expect your game to go on sale anytime soon.
Spending 1 million, and selling a ton at $70 or even $35. Turns a profit.
TL;DR: We’d get better games if we were willing to spend more
Yea, I don’t generally disagree. Especially if you‘re someone who plays games for hundreds of hours, instead of dozens.
But $100 is still a lot of money for a lot of people. I‘d have to save up for months for that (I’m a trainee and have less than 1000€ per month for rent, food, internet, gas, etc.), so I rather wait until I can get games cheaper.
At least Skull And Bones is a AAAA game smh my head
What are “saleries?” Something to do with sales?
Me misspelling salaries.
When did VP Couch Fucker do game streaming?
Places where saled goods are saled. Like bakeries.
Celeries. One needs to eat.
Keep consuming and keep the enshitification machine working, you control everything around you with your wallet and your attention.
These companions took ahold of both and now you’re a slave.
A bit of an exaggeration. Your wallet speaks, sure. But I haven’t been to a lot of places in years, some even for decades and they’re still doing just fine. I didn’t buy any Nintendo console from the NES until I got a Wii paying half with a friend.
With the switch 2 coverage, this is something that bugs me quite a bit… Not the meme, Nintendo games, by comparison, are worth more than the slop that Ubisoft craps out. No matter how good a Ubisoft game could be, Nintendo has them beat in terms of quality.
Back to my point. The cost of games is insane. The price point for most video game systems is around $500 USD. Whether PS5, Xbox, switch, whatever, they’re all either at or near, $500.
You buy 6 games, and you’ve spent more in games than you did on your console. The fuck is this? We might as well go back to the days when you would buy a whole ass console that could only play a single (or small selection) of games like the Coleco Telstar.
I think they figured out that you make money from selling the add-ons, so they dipped the price of the console and jacked up the cost of all of the games so they could increase profits and shareholder value.
Oh wait.
Game consoles are sold at a loss. You are supposed to buy more games than the console costs.
Here is a nice little inflation chart I’ve assembled:
You people are upset about (analogy) gas being 5.31 a gallon when you should be upset that you don’t make enough to afford gas at 5.31 a gallon. You should make enough to afford a $450 switch 2, and the fact that you don’t is because your masters have been stealing from you for 30+ years. Or since forever, if you’re as woke as me.
NES
1985 $179 -> 2025 $528
Games $49.99 -> $147SNES
1991 $199 -> 2025 $464
Games $49.99 -> $116
Super Mario All-Stars $59.99 -> $140N64
1996 $199 -> 2025 $403
Games $59.99 -> $121GameCube
2001 $199 -> 2025 $355
Games $49.99 -> $89Gameboy
1989 $89.99 -> 2025 $230
Games $29.99 -> $76Gameboy Advance
2001 $99.99 -> 2025 $178
Games $34.99 -> $62Nintendo DS
2004 $149.99 -> 2025 $251
Games $29.99 -> $50Playstation 1
1995 $299 -> 2025 $622
Games $49.99 -> $104Playstation 2
2000 $299 -> 2025 $552
Games $49.99 -> $92X-Box
2001 $299 -> 2025 $535
Games $49.99 -> $89Sega Genesis
1989 $189 -> 2025 $483
Games $59.99 -> $153Sega Dreamcast
1999 $199 -> 2025 $380
Games $49.99 -> $95
the slop that Ubisoft craps out
I’d, uh, argue there are some exceptions, like the better asscreed games or the anno series.
Which is also why anyone who says consoles are better is straight clowning tbh
Has there been a better ass Creed game than Black flag?
Nintendo games, by comparison, are worth more than the slop that Ubisoft craps out
Agree, I grew up with Playstation up until the ps3. I have never owned a Nintendo console my whole life and the only Mario games I’ve tried is the O.G back then, but it’s clear to me that Nintendo put better effort into every bit of design of their IP release.
I know the Jazz scene would go nuts over a “Mario Kart Lick”, and I never played Mario Kart even once.
The only thing stopping me from owning their console is the lack of regional pricing.
I’m a big Nintendo apologist. I’ve argued in the past that their consoles are the only ones worth buying over a gaming PC (not including Steamdeck there), and while I have never defend their terrible IP practices, I have been willing to overlook it and continue buying their products. This shit is indefensible. The price hike would be bad enough, but killing off physical games is a disgrace. Nintendo fans should be angrier than everyone else, not defending this shit.
I’ve always felt the other way around: If you’re trying to sell me games, make them for PC. I’m not buying a new device just for Mario
I actually like Nintendo’s devices, though. Sony and Microsoft produce basically the same product every generation, but Nintendo usually tries something different. But $80 games with no physical option is fucking disgusting. I’m pretty sure they’ve decided that physical media is a threat to their abusive IP practices, and their going to finally destroy game preservation once and for all. This is the final straw for me; I’ll just pirate anything I want going forward.
Don’t get me wrong, I dislike other gaming consoles too. Why would I buy a device that I don’t really own, i.e. the manufacturer can pull the rug from under it at any time and render it completely useless? I get your point about ‘innovative’ designs. But then they should sell the device separately and allow the user to with it as they please (see steam deck).
Why would I buy a device that I don’t really own, i.e. the manufacturer can pull the rug from under it at any time and render it completely useless?
Yeah, this is why I’m so fucking pissed about the lack of non-digital games. I understand that games have tons of updates, and that the idea of a physical game has been declining for years, but there was at least still a physical, 1.0 version of a Nintendo game I could buy and play on my Switch. If Nintendo no longer sells that product, they no longer have a product I want.
This isnt really on topic but what we wanted was a more realistic Sea of Thieves and Skull and Bones was like ship arena battles, it was bad.
It’s funny, because I actually enjoy the less realistic versions, like ship of fools. Void crew was fun and all, but didn’t tickle my biscuit enough. Sea of thieves was just sort of… boring. It took too long to get into the fun, and then the fun was over too quickly.
While I am not okay with the game price hike, you’re comparing genuine dog shit to actual good games. It’s like asking why anyone would ever order a steak when they can just go to McDonald’s. Sure they’re both food, but they’re not really comprable.
That said, I am not trying to justify Nintendo’s pricing. They’re asking for too much of a leap (+50%!!!) in too short of a time frame. But this meme is a bad argument.
