Pakistan saying they would nuke Israel if Israel nuked Iran probably was the only thing holding Israel back from pulling the trigger. If there was ever a group of people who should never be permitted to have nuclear weapons, its the Israelis.
Trump is as dumb as a sack of hammers, and he’s looking for a nail. He just wants to treat nukes like playthings, a rich man’s flex. Just to say he did. Like a canned trophy hunt of a Lion from the safety of helicopters and trucks with everyone around him at his paid service. No risk, no personal jeopardy. Drop the bomb for lols just to experience the fact he did it and will brag about it.
If he drops a nuke, he instantly becomes the most dangerous man in history, they only guy willing to use a nuke for normal war purposes (for which there are nearly infinite alternative options), and to flex his ego (which has no limit). Now when he threatens a country, they will have to believe him, because he’s done it before.
With that in mind, I would think nearly every nation with a highly organized covert intelligence service would decide that it’s time to remove that threat from the planet.
Hey guys, how about we nuke the wind?
What a shitty country.
Trump cheated to win the election. Most Americans are against him.
edit: I’m not just saying this, there’s evidence to suggest it
However, yes, the country is shit right now. I agree.
Most Americans might be against him, but the majority of those that voted voted for him. People’s apathy and the DNC continually being useless helped Trump win.
Most Americans are against him.
I’ll believe it when I see it. What I see is Trump and his ICE Brownshorts running all over the place with almost zero resistance.
He has an almost 50% approval rating from Americans so while you’re technically correct, that’s still a ridiculous amount of Americans who like him
That’s not the statistic I’ve seen. It was in the 30s last I saw. Among Republicans it was still fairly high, like 60s, and higher among MAGA, but the general public was much lower. Can you cite a recent source for your number? Otherwise, I’ll bolo for some updated numbers.
These are the stats I found:
- According to the most recent Gallup poll, Trump’s job approval rating was 43% in May.
- The Economist shows that 41% of people are favorable of Trump and 53% are unfavorable of him, according to the latest update from June 20.
- Rasmussen Reports poll from June 20 showed 52% approval and 47% disapproval of Trump.
- The Morning Consult tracker poll taken mid-June has dropped to 46% approval rating and 52% who disapprove.
- A Reuters/Ipsos poll reported that, as of June 16, 42% of those surveyed gave him a favorable approval rating of his performance in office.
- An InsiderAdvantage poll taken between June 15-16 showed Trump with 54.4% approval over a 44.1% disapproval of his job performance.
From here
Nice work, mate. Good on ya! (I’m watching Bluey with my kids right now) Looks like I’ve been outdated.
Well, the rest of Americans need to wake tf up. It’s going to take most of us to right the ship. Fuck the rich, fuck the racists/sexists/homophobes/etc., and fuck any MAGAts who somehow aren’t covered by the previous.
Fuck the rich, fuck the racists/sexists/homophobes/etc., and fuck any MAGAts who somehow aren’t covered by the previous
100% agreed
Ffs, by what half baked metrics are people rating that guy?
Lol. No. Fsce rey reality of your country, otherwise you’ll be unable to fix it.
Most Americans are against him
Most Americans should have showed up to vote, then. Or not protest vote for a limp-dick 3rd party. As far as I’m concerned, most Americans are in support of what he’s doing, because they didn’t show otherwise on election day.
The only voter demographic that saw a decrease in the last election compared to 2016 was white men. If you’re going to cry “rigged election,” then you’re undermining democracy in exactly the same way the MAGA crowd does.
Iran’s a shitty country.
Why?
(not who you replied to) We can be anti-zionists without being pro-Iran. They have a horrific history of human rights abuses. Their sovereignty is being violated, but their government is not a good one.
No no. Not pro-Iran government, just curious what the specific reason are for calling it a shit country.
Seems to me, like there is EXTREMELY, next to zero, or perhaps zero reason to ever HAVE to use a nuke. Nuke’s should be a defensive deterrent, not a first choice. I’m sure the military has plenty of other options.
I’m sure the military has plenty of other options.
The other option is the GBU-57 bunker buster bombs, which is what they used - but a single bomb like that isn’t capable of reaching deep enough on its own. So they had to use a significant portion of their stockpile to achieve their objective that way.
The alternative would have been to drop in special forces and have them break into the heavily defended facility the traditional way.
If you are not ready to use a nuke ever, it stops being a deterrent. Game theory.
But this situation is not the kind where a nuke is used as a deterrent. If Israel was saying they’re sorry and asking for ceasefire, while Iranians would be absolutely destroying what remains of it and not listening, then yes.
Or, if Iran had a nuke and Israelis were succeeding in destroying Iran.
But neither are true.
There are 13k ton bombs that can penetrate pretty deep dropped by B2 bombers, which might be headed to the ME right now.
The B2s will be flown into Diego Garcia. The only time they will be in the middle east is if they are over a target. Hopefully they stay in Diego Garcia.
Oh honey, read some of the norbert weiner type of nuke cult guys, and their Soviet counterparts.
This is a rabbit hole nobody wants anybody to ho down.
hole nobody wants anybody to ho down.
If this series of murderous far right zionist military adventures proves anything, its that American politicians will ho themselves down any hole.
And have before, but some of them are…
It is so odd that this info being publicized…
They are trying to scare Iran into giving into what they want.
He thinks this is a genius plan.
It’s stupid.
He will chicken out and give the nukes to them… And call it the most brilliant thing anyone has ever done
they just want to test how much public outcry there would be
Well, they did it. Now Iran will lash out and close the straits of Hormuz. It’s the only threat that they can carry out now…
US Reportedly Assesses It Would Need to Drop Nuclear Bomb to Destroy Iran Nuclear Facility
Well, they did it.
No they didn’t. It was conventional bombs, not nuclear.
Sorry forgot about the nuclear bit of the bomb. Regardless, I want to be drafted into the psychic corps for the upcoming world war regardless of talent
…and we’ll sink the ships, and have dogfights over the sea, and it will escalate, and hello World War 3!
I was hoping they could wait a few more years so I’d be too old to be drafted, but looks like I’ll be twerking in Tehran
No, resist the draft. Drafts are evil, do ANYTHING to avoid fighting a MAGA War. My son is the perfect draft age, and he is NEVER going to fight for MAGA. If they want it so bad, the MAGAs can sacrifice their own.
Get a doctor to say your son has bone spurs.
Don’t worry guys we’re not going to war.
Well im not.
Bring your steam decks
Lan party?
We’re playing Counter Strike, and later, you’re in Counter Strike.
Too late, we’ve been at war for a long time.
Yeah no hipocrisy and double standards whatsoever /s
President Donald Trump is not considering using a nuclear weapon, The Guardian reported on Wednesday
There’s no need to lose one’s mind over this. The headline isn’t saying a nuke should be used - it’s simply pointing out that a nuclear weapon would be the only thing capable of reaching a facility buried that deep under a mountain. The next best option would be the GBU-57 bunker-buster, but the U.S. would need to use a significant portion of its stockpile, since you’d have to hit the same spot multiple times to drill that deep. And even then, you’d likely only damage one section of the facility, with other parts protected behind blast doors.
Trump isn’t “considering” anything. He’s not a rational actor, he’s a narcissistic egomaniac, unable to ask or take advice, unable to think about anything that isn’t about how cool he is perceived.
So basically the won’t destroy it and Iran will though horrible expensive an even deeper facilty and go for the bomb, now for real.
I checked if this was the onion after reading the title
US reportedly also forgets the arithmetic of AD and MD efficiency, and the fact that there are countries capable of nuking it in response, and in case it uses a nuke against Iran those will multiply like mushrooms after a rain.
If they use a nuke on Iran then Russia will start popping a bunch of them on Ukraine. Maybe that’s Putin’s plan all along, get Trump to drop a nuke so it becomes a free for all.
Anyways, hope you know where your nuclear shelter is and you like canned food and iodine tablets.
I live in Russia, in Moscow, in a kinda golden (in Stalin’s time) place, so the shelter is right under me, its ventilation shaft exit is near the playground.
The problem is - nobody knows how the hell do you get in.
I do like canned food. I even had a small stockpile in 2022 when I thought things had gotten real and it’s time to prepare. Have eaten through it.
If it becomes a free for all, though, hiding from the physical effects will be easier than hiding from the social ones.
You should start taking notes where D6 is and how to enter, so you can take out the Dark Ones when they appear twenty years down the line.
I even know of one possible entrance, but the building above it I hate with passion, I’d need a flamethrower.
What do those acronyms mean
Air defense, missile defense
Dumbo with the big ears is pulling the strings of the empty-headed Scarecrow.
Western humanity at play
Humanity? I didn’t have a say in any of this shit.
But I have to ask, why is it that easterners are so ready to blame everyone on this side of the world in bulk every time? I’ve even heard “the hubris of the west”. No, fuck that, the hubris of the few in the West.
Do you realize there’s more going on than the US over here? If you mean the US administration, then say the US administration. Why involve everyone else?
I get tired of people in the US and in Europe always flexing on others and always playing the moral high ground. Of course, this is not everyone but I see it enough.
Meanwhile, many of these people cheer for Israel and other western countries whenever in a conflict and always make excuses for why it’s “good”.
I will admit, looking at the polls people seem to finally be shifting away from some of these notions.
I know I threw a slogan out, so I won’t actually blame everyone, but some acknowledgement of the wrongs would be nice by those who insist the west is better than everyone else.
Why involve everyone else?
Because your administration is elected. Westerners like to say “but we don’t support this!!!” but somehow manage to justify almost every individual act of imperialism. Afghanistan? Check. Iraq? Check. Everything Israel has been doing for the last 60 years? Check. An actual, honest to God Holocaust? Check*. Jury’s still out on Iran, but I’m not hopeful. I was called a Russian troll more times than I can count on Lemmy, a supposedly left-leaning space, for pointing out Biden’s complicity and Harris’s support for Israel’s genocide. I remember the reaction to Uncommitted. This isn’t everyone, obviously, but it’s more than enough. I mean, remove the active supporters and complacent liberals and you have what? 5% of the population? So to answer your question:
But I have to ask, why is it that easterners are so ready to blame everyone on this side of the world in bulk every time?
Because the things we blame the West for are done using your tax dollars by politicians you elect.
*this one with lesser evil politics rather than outright support, but that distinction matters very little.
Because your administration is elected
I’m Mexican. My administration is at best getting dragged down into this. I mean, our democracy is stronger than it has ever been and directly opposes 47.
Because the things we blame the West for are done using your tax dollars by politicians you elect.
Not my tax dollars, not my politicians, not my elections.
In that case Mexico isn’t part of the political bloc known as the West, so it’s not included when I or someone else says Western this or Westerners that.
I’m not about to start splitting hairs about which definition to use for the West. Although it largely depends on how the West is defined, most often than not we’re included in the Western civilization by cultural and political overlap, and also by proximity.
And even if you don’t consider us part of the West, I will speak out on behalf of the rest of Latin American continent that, save for whatever the hell is happening with Bukele kissing fash ass, they’ve largely kept out of things and they are unquestionably part of the Western bloc proper.
Lumping people together like this is just gross. It’s much like when people call all Asians Chinese because they can’t bother with the differences and it just sounds inappropriate.
Okay here’s one way to see if you’re from the West: Is your media manufacturing consent for a war with Iran? Does your country consider Israel an indispensable ally? Are you ramping up or being asked to ramp up defense spending to respond to the Russian threat? Did you send troops to Afghanistan? Did your country impose non-UN sanctions on Iran? Does the Middle East form an important part of your country’s foreign policy?
If the answer to all or most of these is no, you are not part of the West, or at least not in a way that is relevant to this conversation.
Lumping people together like this is just gross.
Then they can stop following daddy USA’s party line and do something, anything to differentiate themselves from America’s little gang of imperialists.
Those are questions to determine if you’re at war with Iran.
Then they can stop following daddy USA’s party line and do something, anything to differentiate themselves from America’s little gang of imperialists.
We have done quite a few, actually. That’s my entire point.
What if you bomb the entrances?
It would help to some extent, but they’d have to keep bombing the facility consistently - and indefinitely - to keep it out of service.
I wonder what the rate of bombing would be needed to keep up with modern excavation techniques. Though I imagine there are too many variables to say anything meaningful.
