You want to nationalize the voting system? Okay, get congressional republicans to submit a bill for an amendment to the constitution, pass it through both houses, institute a constitutional convention, get 2/3 of states to ratify.
Nah he’ll just write an executive order and the SC will back him up.
Comrade Donnie over here nationalizing industries, you love to see it
“Republicans” should.
Not the States, not bipartisan whatever…just them. That tells you everything.
So less state rights? And more big government? The cornerstone of the Republican party?
More treason.
In a healthy nation the Republican party would be disbanded and outlawed.
But this isn’t a healthy nation, so assuming we get to continue having elections and they are fair and the Republicans lose, I expect American’s hamster brains to completely forget about this in one or two election cycles and start flirting with letting these traitors have power again.
This dipshit proved who he was the first time around and we only managed to get through one term without him before letting a child back into the Oval Office. We’re a very stupid nation.
before letting a child back into the Oval Office. We’re a very stupid nation
Child-rapist, before letting a child-rapist back into the oval office.
And I still believe 2020 was the last free election we had in this nation
That’s insulting to children. They run Model UN better than this.
If by now Americans don’t believe him when the orange shitstain talks… they deserve the inevitable dictatorship they themselves installed.
Wait, are we still all thinking he’ll peacefully leave the white house after the shit he pulled last time?
It’s not even about him, it’s the party. He didn’t start the campaign to fix elections, the party did after they successfully bullied the democrats out of the 2000 election and filibustered a recount with court challenges and Ginsberg crossed over and endorsed the steal.
You can draw a straight line from the stolen 2000 election through 2020 to now. And it was stolen in multiple ways, from voter suppression, purging valid voters from rolls, putting faulty machines in democratic districts and otherwise sabotaging their use, throwing ballots in the trash from democratic districts, and so on.
This doesn’t end with the president.
Don’t forget 2 of the justices in the supreme court were directly involved in giving Florida to bush.
Only two of the remaining ones? I know it was all the conservatives and Ginsberg came over to support it, to forestall the right pretending like they were going to be violent in their attempts (successful,) to intimidate the democrats chosen by the rich to be weak, and not upset the plutocratic licenses generated, just to play good cop to republican bad. Brooks brothers riots went unpunished too, they shipped in angry cuban partizans to ransack the miami dade voter count or something, I saw footage of part of it on an hbo special about that election steal, can’t find it now online, by design I’m sure.
But Thomas was on the court then he voted, Alito idk when he was appointed. I don’t really recall whom all was on their, other than Scalia being my unfavorite, he was a real piece of shit giving bad faith reasonings for betraying the 4th amendement and stuff like that. Really in your face bad faith betrayals of the Bill of Rights too, no reasonable person could conclude he wasn’t betraying his oath. I can say that about all of them now. Roberts was Bush appointed I think, idk how he became chief when he’s not senior, I think he replaced the chief and so he got the title, weird way to do it if you ask me. Breyer retired after getting blackmailed by the president over his nephew that worked at Deutsch Bank to allow for one of Prez’ appointees. Scalia died sunning on a rock on vacation last year of Obama’s term if I recall.
Can’t recall the rest offhand.
I meant BKav and Barret.
In some other capacity than scotus? I know bkav was a republican operative, he was with Kenneth Star in his censorial campaign on Clinton sifting through blowjob evidence, looking for dirty rags with evidence of blowjobery. Idk about Barret but I know she was with some super religious sect doing some kind of work if I recall. Were they in on the steal in some other way, or clerking for conservative justices that did decide on it?
I’d have to look it up but I think she was actively clerking with the ones who handed FL to dubya
I was too young to vote/know about the 2000 election, and I find it fascinating now to learn about it.
Fucking wild ride and it’s been fucked since before maga
The source of this fuckery is the 1971 business roundtable, where monied interests huddled up and made the first iteration of a long game to cooperate on what they agreed on. Dividing and ruining any opposition. ie infection unions with the mafia, corrupting all facets of the establishment, like changing the consumer price index several times to understate it. Since then it’s average 5-8 percent a year just by 2008 under the old measure, and 2-3 percent under the new. That is the biggest, and perhaps most consequential to working people, every year we take a pay cut, and nobody talks about it. They started The Fear of the Others in the 70s and by the 80s and 90s transformed le and the courts into fascist organizations given unconditional support. To make that happen of course they flooded the country with cocaine and taught gangs how to cook crack, to also fund paramilitary death squads in Nicaragua, and probably a lot of other countries that’s just the one we know about. The author that broke that scoop got intense pushback but his reporting checked out and got picked up by other papers, but he committed suicide according to Ohio police, two rounds to the back of the head, worse suicide we ever saw I imagine them saying, but I digress.
Business Plot v2.0, now with more technology
Maybe he will die
🤞
Really hope he doesn’t die peacefully. At the very least he should take a violent shit in his pants before passing.
Trump is in this for his own personal benefit, not something bigger than himself. He will cower at defeat for the sake of survival, but not before he’s actually been defeated. The only way he dies is if he croaks.
We all knew he would do anything and everything possible to stop the midterms. He knows he will go to prison if he gets impeached and charged, so he is waging a full on war on every right we have.
This november will be very interesting with thousands of DHS gestapo at local voting station intimidating voters, GOP refusing to swear in democratic winners, and the hourly posts by the president telling his cult everything is rigged and they are all going to have to fight for something BS.
I’ll take problems that can be solved with a treatment regimen of high velocity lead injections for 500, Alex.
We should have nationwide consistency on who is eligible to vote (felons?) and how/when to register to vote (same day? automatic as part of getting state id?), yes. I think that’s actually what his addled brain was thinking of, even if it’s because he thinks blue states “cheat” at all states from rules-making to operations, which we have good evidence no state does, blue or red–other than gerrymandering.
But, there’s little need for it to be actually administered by the federal government (our state and local governments are corrupt enough). In fact, any election activities by the federal government should be more like FEMA, where they assist the states be the states remain in control from procedures to priorities and everything else.
I wouldn’t be opposed to UN election observers, either.
I don’t know if this it “the line”, but I wouldn’t expect anything less than state pd vs. national guard standoffs at voting locations in blue states, just like we had around schools during desegregation in ex-confederate states. Blue state governors are unlikely to stand down; they generally has good poll numbers / support.
I’m in Arkansas so it won’t matter if they nationalize or not; plus, Sanders will volunteer for nationalization of our voting operations and claim it saves money and benefits the people of Arkansas.
The thing is, there’s no mechanism for nationalizing voting, and I don’t really see a clear path for Republicans to do that in the next nine months. They’d have to pass legislation to do that, which would be extremely difficult given their margins in congress. Even then, states control elections as a function of the Constitution, and while the Supreme Court is happy to approve whatever unconstitutional bullshit Trump dreams up, it will take times to get through the courts. He could try to seize control of the voting process from states, but I don’t know that he has the infrastructure to manage the whole voting process through the executive branch, and the fact that he’s asking the Republicans to do this for him makes me think he knows this. Either way, any kind of coup on the election process would face the same legal challenges as legislation.
That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t be extremely worried. I think it’s unlikely that the Republicans will, “nationalize the voting,” but I think it’s very likely he’ll send federal goons in to, “prevent voter fraud,” (AKA suppress the vote).
The Executive Order has been their “clear path” to all sorts of shit they have no right doing.
Yes, but most of those have either not been achieved yet or have only been achieved because they were relatively easy. He tried to abolish the 14th Amendment through EO on day one, and it’s just getting to the Supreme Court now. He’s been able to illegally dissolve federal agencies because the Republicans in Congress have abdicated their power, and destroying something is much easier than building it.
Even if he signs an EO to take over the elections tomorrow, he’ll still face legal challenges that will likely wind up in the Supreme Court, and he’ll still need to build out the infrastructure to run these elections federally, something the federal government has never done. I’m not saying that he can’t steal the elections, or that we shouldn’t be worried, but the idea that he’s just going to, “federalize,” elections in fifteen states before the midterms seems pretty unlikely.
Listen to what you just said. Congress won’t act to stop him and SCOTUS takes a year before they might stop him. If he does do an EO tomorrow, the legality of the order likely won’t be settled until after the midterms. The only things in his way are logistics and the people.
What would stand between him are the state’s Attorneys General. They have been very successful in blocking Trump’s actions through the courts (at least until the Supreme Court, which has been ruling against lower courts’ decisions at an incredibly high rate). It’s likely that the AGs would block this long enough for the midterms.
Don’t be so sure the votes aren’t there in Congress. Mike Johnson just went on the record saying “I know that it’s fraudulent every time a Democrat wins, although I can’t prove it”. I bet Republicans pass something batshit crazy before the midterms.
But then it gets to the Senate, and Democrats can fillibuster, right? Well, the fillibuster is just a rule, which the majority keeps around because it knows it will be in the minority someday. But what if Republicans ditch it to guarantee a permanent majority? They absolutely would ditch it, if they thought it would make a difference in the election, and cement Republicans control of Congress.
The time for the courts to process cases is in favor of the administration seizing control not against it. There is an absolute worry about these clowns seizing control of elections, as they know the blue states will do nothing if they do send the feds in, even with their own state police and national guard, forewarning of the plans, they will do nothing, the republicans know it, we know it.
Until that changes there is nothing to stop them. Ignoring it won’t help, we need new opposition leaders. New politicians and appointees. That is about step one and we keep trying to skip forward to step 3, which will fail without completing the prior steps.
I mean, if you’re talking about Trump sending in federal agents to seize ballots, then yes, that would be bad and there is very little an individual state could do to stop it without an armed conflict. At that point, ballot stuffing would be a secondary concern over the fact that a second Civil War had broken out. I maintain that the more likely scenario, though, will be Trump sending CBP and ICE goons to stop, “illegals,” from voting, which would be a flimsy pretense for voter suppression. But, “federalizing the elections,” would require upednig Article 1, section 4 of the Constitution, and even with our deeply fucked up court system, I can imagine Trump getting that through in 9 months. Maybe I’m wrong, and a favorable court would allow him to proceed until he got it to the Supreme Court, but I think that’s a stretch.
I tend to agree even our courts would be unlikely to directly support directly defying the constitution as such at this point, although since they cancelled lower courts issuing nationwide injunctions I would not be certain. That is license for the feds to throw people in camps without habeous corpus, with no way to stop them. It was a huge betrayal and our media sucks, our historical experts suck, the entire ivy league should all be burnt to the ground because they left us ignorant of that and so many other important facts we should know to prevent total ruin, which is on our path.
I disagree that there is nothing the states could do. They have armed personnel, they have citizens that support them, they have the law on their side. We outnumber them, we have a national guard, we have cops, and we could create militias, blue states not only should physically prevent the feds from marching in and running fixed elections, they have a duty to.
Not standing up to them is what led us here, if we stand up now, we can prevent it from getting worse. It’s the lack of pushback that has led the establishments, the courts, et al, to give up pre-emptively. We made sure the democrats won in 2020 and they did nothing with it, allowed everyone to get away with betraying the country, with rank corruption. Not even a cross word from our geriatric leadership let alone a concerted effort to nail them to the wall. Not a purging of traitors from the establishment, not making sure the federal agencies fulfilled their statutory duties but allowed them to remain captured, in this context namely the justice department.
I disagree that there is nothing the states could do. They have armed personnel, they have citizens that support them, they have the law on their side. We outnumber them, we have a national guard, we have cops, and we could create militias, blue states not only should physically prevent the feds from marching in and running fixed elections, they have a duty to.
I mean, yeah, if the feds try to seize ballots, this is probably what’s going to have to happen, but please understand where this goes. Feds come in, demand the ballots to look for, “fraud,” local authorities refuse, and there is an armed standoff. Maybe a state calls in the National Gaurd for backup. Trump can then either nationalize that gaurd in response, leading to conflicting orders, and Trump almost certainly invokes the insurrection act, allowing him to send active duty troops into the state. That would be the beginning of the Civil War.
I doubt Trump wants something that messy though. He’ll almost certainly attempt to purge voter rolls wherever he can and suppress the vote with ICE. Dominion voting was also bought out by a Republican election official, so that could be another method to falsify the vote as well. Luckily those methods are imperfect (even Dominion voting requires a physical ballot trail), so we can still overcome that kind of voter suppression.
Yeah it’s messy now that it’s gotten to this point. This was something that needed to be addressed in 2021 through 2024 and wasn’t so now it’s exponentially harder. There is a chance in the succession fight to take it back with popular opposition, organization, and strong leadership, but I’m afraid we won’t have any of that. The same people that brought us Hillary and Biden and Harris will land on newsom, whose time was 2024 and he fucked us waiting his turn. But the important thing is no one made bad faith bigotry allegations on him. /s It’s hopeless with them in charge and they are as arrogant as every blaming those wanting popular reform for their loss, for not believing hard enough.
They seem more numerous than they are because of armies of influence agents including mechanized divisions, allied with the right aligned ones contributing guerilla fighters and sabotage with their mechanized trolls to help the candidates that can’t win get the nomination. Bottom line, it’s already too late barring change in leadership, and if by some miracle they did eke out a victory and not have it stolen from them all 7 ways from sunday, they would do nothing with it, and hand it right back to the extremist party.
And make no mistake it’s the party fixing elections doesn’t end with the president.
All that said, We know what they are going to try to do, because they are testing the waters, and setting precedents, so we should have forces in place to prevent the feds from doing those things in the first place, mobilized police and guards, and guards handpicked for loyalty in the units in certain locations, protecting the governor and legislatures and court officials from arrest, protecting voting precincts. A mobilized citizenry, including militias, should be mobilized, in place, and ready to be fully deputized as agents of the state should they be needed.
A campaign making everyone aware of the real legality, that the supreme court has no authority to cancel any part of the constitution, and their bad faith interpretations to help their party will not be accepted if in sheer defiance of reality. Need different wording on that, Courts Don’t Decide Elections, Voters Do. States Do. And so forth.
Of course it won’t matter if the democrats are only banking winning for not being the other guy, which is going to be their plan after crushing the left under waves of bullshit. Because they learned nothing, and fear popular reform taking the party more than the Republicans winning, and enough of the public, and the right, support them keeping control.
Only way out is with new leadership.
Hasn’t there already been significant efforts towards a national vote? We saw the massive progress turn into a slow burn on the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact, which was the closest we’ve ever come.
That’s about ending the Electoral College. What Trump is talking about is the federal government taking control of how elections are run. The state’s are in charge of conducting their own elections, even federal elections, rather than the federal government, per the Constitution. This is what makes it difficult for Trump to rig elections through direct methods such as ballot stuffing.
About that
Why are you posting a picture of your president’s toilet paper?
He doesn’t use toilet paper they just hose him off after a code 2. That picture above is the presidents makeup applicator for covering up bruising on his hands.
Or we could post the part of the constitution that details voting. It’s up to the states to run their elections, congress has some say about when. The 10th amendment forbids the feds from ursurping any authority from states have that isn’t expressly given to the feds in the constitution.
If not expressly outlined in the constitution, it’s a state power in other words, per the 10th amendment, from day one.
Trump’s comments come as Republicans in Congress push a bill that would enable massive voter purges, impose photo ID requirements, and ban ranked-choice voting, universal mail-in ballots, and the acceptance of mailed ballots that arrive after Election Day.
And you just KNOW the Democraps are going to let them have it all too.
I can see Schumer now, giving a forceful floor speech, his fist in the air, half-glasses on the podium, “rest assured, this matter is not concluded!” Then promptly voting yes with a promise from republicans that we’ll vote on something else later maybe.
Just imagine the strongly worded posters designed and printed out by interns. Surely they will turn the tide.
I’m sure he will at least get a pinky promise of a concession before that happens.
He received concepts of a concession.
Elections are run by the States, not the Feds and Trump says a lot of stupid sh*t. This isn’t something Trump can just “Hereby Do Dee-clare” and it becomes reality.
Not according to the law, but he does have a personal army of trigger-happy thugs who can just march in and kidnap or shoot the people running elections, or steal the ballots, or kidnap, shoot or intimidate voters.
People keep saying that but you have to realize that laws are only enforceable or even a thing when the mechanisms in place and society wants to enforce it. There is a bunch of outdated laws that everyone kinda decides to not enforce it anymore. And here we have all the 3 powers that should keep each other in check all working together. Most of Congress (both the Senate and the House of representative), the courts and the executive branch all supporting the government agenda, and it is both on all levels of government, local, state and federal. And to make it worse, all the media corporations that sometimes work as a 4th power also support it and close to half the population also supports the government. So it does not matter if it is legal or not.
Because Trumps stupid shit that he has no power to do has totally been stopped and checked so far.
Quickly: let’s do nothing!!!
